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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: If I am right and there is a God and a Heaven I will spend eternity with Him. More likely, He'll punish you for not seeing what's right in front of your face - evolution. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: I don't see where it says they will be burned up at the end. We had a thread on that subject here, in case you're interested. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: I BELIEVED BEFORE I HAD THE EXPERIENCE WITH GOD So your "experience with God" was confirmation bias? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: Most of what I see on this site is telling Christianity that they have a faith based ignorance. You misunderstand. Ignorance isn't faith-based - but misplaced faith preserves ignorance. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: So what is there to misunderstand? I won't speak for nator's specific wording, but I think she'd agree with me: Faith doesn't cause your ignorance. There are plenty of people of faith who don't wallow in ignorance. They embrace learning. They don't fear knowledge as a threat to their faith. I think when people around here use the shorthand "faith-based ignorance", they mean using your faith as a shield to protect your ignorance. That usually indicates an ignorance of the basis of your faith, too. Rejection of evolution often goes hand in hand with a profound ignorance of the Bible. Repeating over and over and over and over that you have to choose between evolution or the Bible is not what you do if you came here to learn. Edited by Ringo, : Spellling. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: I understand them to mean that my faith in God is ignorance,And that I should be an atheist. As I said, you misunderstand. What is being challenged primarily is your refusal to look at the facts. I don't think anybody is trying to recruit you as an atheist. Frankly, if I was an atheist, I wouldn't want you on my side.
But nobody will tell me what the benefits would be. You have been told: one benefit would be freedom from ignorance and prejudice.
Two have stated there would be no benefit. Why do you notice only the ones who tell you what you want to hear?
Do you have any enlightenment to add? Step One: rid yourself of the idea of "God or evolution". When you can understand "God and evolution", you'll be able to find your own enlightenment. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: I think I have a little conviction about what I believe. If you turned down the moon and three stars of your choice, do you think anybody would be impressed by your "convictions"? On the contrary, it seems like a sad attempt to convince yourself that you're right. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: I know what I believe and why. I'm just sayin'... if you're not whistling in the dark, what's the point of this topic? You've been told the benefits of truth over delusion. You refuse to listen. You've demonstrated a less-than-zero understanding of science. You refuse to learn. Thanks to you, the Atheist International Conspiracy has people lining up to sign. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: Lets see I have a beautiful waterfront home, a 2007 Entourage van, a 2007 Nissan pickup, and a farm. quote: quote: Your "testimony" would be much more impressive if you left out the bits about the neat stuff God gives you.
Apparently you did not read the post where I listed many things I had done because my God had given me several abilities. Everybody has abilities. We're not all so insecure that we have to brag about them.
I did not do those things for free. Maybe you should have.Maybe then you'd understand that life isn't all about the almighty dollar. quote: Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: Jesus is speaking to a lost religious rich Pharisee. So it doesn't apply to that other rich Pharisee named "ICANT"?
He is not talking to one of His children whom he has blessed. Show us chapter and verse where Jesus blessed His children with material goods.
Ringo, why did you not give the explanation that Jesus gave to His disciples. "With God all things are possible," is not an explanation. Jesus was speaking of the fact that a rich man can not get to heaven (at least, he can't take his earthly riches with him). He was saying that God can level the inequities of earth. It must be very convenient to believe that none of Jesus' teachings apply to you. That smug attitude isn't very satisfying for most of us though. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: Jesus said: "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have (life) more abundantly. It's sad that you think "more abundant life" has anything to do with the size of your bank account. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: Who other that you said anything about the size of their bank account? You were the one who brought up material goods as a "benefit" of being one of God's children. You have spent the whole thread talking about how God has blessed you materially. The rest of us have been talking about the more abstract benefits of accepting the truth, but you don't seem interested in them. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: I won't tell you how many years of those I spent working that I was pastoring small churches that could not afford a pastor. I have no doubt that you have earned (in the earthly sense) all that you have. I am not questioning your right to earthly goods. I'm just wondering about your priorities. As I've already mentioned, the truth about evolution doesn't seem to interest you. Making false accusations against scientists doesn't seem to bother you. You have talked about material goods and about your reward in the afterlife. I'm not seeing that you value integrity in this life very highly. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: The Bible plainly says nations. "All nations" plainly means all the people from those nations - no exceptions, not even you. The what-you-do-to-them-you-have-done-to-me judgement applies to everybody.
Jesus plainly said my brethren. To be a brother of Christ you have to either be a Jew or be a Born again child of God. But it isn't up to us to judge who is a child of God. From our point of view, anybody could be a child of God. So for all intents and purposes, we need to treat everybody as Jesus' brethren. Any way you look at it, nobody is exempt from the judgement. And Jesus said explicitly that some who say, "Lord, Lord," will be surprised by their judgement - i.e. some who believe they are "children of God" are not. Edited by Ringo, : Spelling. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: But everybody is not going to be judged at the same time. I'll leave discussion of the judgement itself to a more appropriate thread. (I have never seen anybody successfully defend your position.) But my point was that we don't know who is in what group. You can believe that you're in a certain elite group, but you don't know who else is. If you believe that only a certain elite group is to be treated like Jesus, you still have to assume that anybody could be in that group. You still have to treat everybody as if they were Jesus. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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