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Evolution or Creation

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Larni
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Message 36 of 301 (395846)
04-18-2007 3:43 AM 		Reply to: Message 14 by Neutralmind
04-17-2007 7:58 PM

Neutralmind writes:
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Spiritual benefit would be something like knowing the truth thus having a better feeling about your self,
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You mean believing it is the truth to remove cognitive dissonance. This is in no way spiritual; just a reduction in autonomic arousal.
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Message 37 of 301 (395847)
04-18-2007 3:58 AM 		Reply to: Message 21 by ICANT
04-17-2007 10:42 PM

Re: Re-Answers
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Now this is what my God did for me.
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Incorrect:
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This is what you believe your god does for you. This gives you a sense of certainty and peace of mind but only because you honestly believe.
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Many people simply cannot choose to believe the way you do because of myriad of reasons.
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But that is not to say that the peace of mind you enjoy is not enjoyed by people who do not belive in your god.
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Your implication is that your god has done you a great service and that evolution cannot do so. To people who believe as you do the benefits of having said belief can be seen (as you describe).
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But, as they are a matter of belief any positive internal state you enjoy (through the peace of mind you have mentioned) can be replicated in the minds of people who do not believe in the existance of your god.
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For example: when I look at my achievements in life I see it is all down to me. This makes me happy to go to my grave knowing I have done the best I can in life.
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Larni
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Message 38 of 301 (395849)
04-18-2007 4:03 AM 		Reply to: Message 25 by ICANT
04-17-2007 11:31 PM

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But jar I believe they are an accurate account of what happened in the beginning, and then at a later date.
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That beleif you have appears to bring you as much peace of mind and comfort as my understanding that every atom in my body is as old as the universe does for me.
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So again, no trade off.
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Message 41 of 301 (395859)
04-18-2007 6:24 AM 		Reply to: Message 40 by Doddy
04-18-2007 4:34 AM

Re: Re-Answers
Okay, the constituents of my atoms were first present milliseconds after the big bang
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Larni
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Message 49 of 301 (395908)
04-18-2007 11:45 AM 		Reply to: Message 43 by nator
04-18-2007 7:03 AM

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What a fantastic avatar, Schraff!
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Who won? The kitty or the kid? Looks like the kitty got a good sneak attack in the suprise round!
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Btw, my gf thinks it's cool, too but she thought the kid was a grown up and the cat was a giant.
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Larni
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04-19-2007 7:06 AM 		Reply to: Message 78 by ICANT
04-18-2007 10:29 PM

Re: Not Everything in Life is a Choice
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because of my experience with Him.
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Incorrect:
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This is you attributing an experience you have had to your god. This attributional style us humans have is inherently flawed as is the source of the inaccuracy of your above conclusion.
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Larni
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04-24-2007 6:36 AM 		Reply to: Message 191 by ICANT
04-21-2007 11:48 PM

Re: Biologist
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It doesn't have to prove where the first bacteria came from the ToE has to as far as I am concerned.
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Why is this so?
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04-25-2007 3:55 AM 		Reply to: Message 235 by ICANT
04-24-2007 9:54 PM

Re: Biologist
Are you aware that biological evolution only works on living things?
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If you are not it would explain you comment and would indicate further research on your part is required.
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If you are aware of this then you position is idiotic.
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