Evolution or Creation

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BTW the bank account is small.

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Excuse me?You own a farm with a home on it, another waterfront home, and two brand new expensive automobiles.I am going to assume that these are not recent purchases and are either fully or largely paid off.If I am not mistaken those assets, should you liquefy them, would amount to the upper six figures at the lowest, and several million at best, depending upon property values where they are.You are rich, my friend, and your assets are great.You have far more than you really need. Nobody "needs" two homes, for goodness sake.

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It makes no difference what you or I say the Bible says. It only matters what God says in His Word.

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Huh?This makes no sense.The only way we can attempt to understand "God's Word" is to read the Bible and try to understand the meaning, right?So it does, in fact, matter very much what you or anybody else says the Bible says, since this is the only way anybody can take in the word, right?

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Wrong I can say anything I want, I can believe anything I want, that does not make it True.

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The only thing that makes it true is if God said it.

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So, who decides if God said something or not?

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nator, what I am trying to say is that I can tell you a lie, anybody else can tell you a lie. But God cannot tell you a lie.

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If you really want to know what God says you can take my statements or the statements of anyone else and compare them to what the Bible says.

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But then I am relying on myself to not tell me a lie, and we all know that it is easy as pie to lie to ourselves.What difference does it make if it is you telling me or me telling me what the Bible says and means. Either way it isn't God.

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I use the King James 1611 Version, I think it is the most accurate English version.

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Er, no. The King James bible is known to be one of the least accurate, though also one of the most beautiful, versions of the bible. The NRSV is better.

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When you go to compare them ask God to help you understand what you are about to read. You can do this even if you don't believe He exists. You might be supprised what He can do.

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How do I know if it is really God or if it is a demon pretending to be God? How do I know it isn't simply my own intellect, prejudices, and biases interpreting the text and I simply imagine that God is "helping" me? How do I know that I am right or wrong if I get a different interpretation than someone else? How can I tell if somebody else's interpretation is right or wrong if I can't tell if they are really getting help from God or if it is a demon pretending to be God, or simply their own imaginations that they mistakenly believe to be God?Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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I would be very careful about calling God the Holy Spirit a liar, He might exist and hear whoever did.

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Every time you deny the fact of Evolution, you call God a liar.He left you all the evidence to see, yet you deny His handiwork that is right before your eyes.

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My belief has nothing to do with science. I believe it because the Bible says it. The Bible is God's Word so that means God said it and that settles it as far as I am concerned.

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So, are the Universe and the Earth and the life on it not God's Creation?Are we to believe what the pre-scientific, 2000 year old human-written Bible has to say about God's Creation over what God's actual Creation shows us?Seems to me that you are worshipping the Bible, not God.

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I haven't found a good science book yet that told me about God.

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Every science book teaches you about God's Creation.But we already know that you would rather remain ignorant of the wonders of His Creation that you can see, touch, smell, hear, and taste, and instead prefer to revere the pre-scientific explanations of natural phenomena in an ancient tome.Why are you so afraid of knowledge, ICANT?Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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Sorry I don't believe that Jesus was a son of God.

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I believe He was The only begotten Son of God.

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I also believe God has many sons and daughters, who are born of the Spirit.

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Those are just a couple of things I have a problem with in the NRSV.

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Yeah, but the question was which Bible is the most accurate, wasn't it?If you prefer to believe a less accurate bible because you simply prefer it, then you don't actually care about accuracy.

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Science book's teaches that I evolved from a single cell life form that no one knows where it came from, or how it came into existence. This teaches I have a body and mind.

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God's book says that God created man in his own image. That would be flesh, Spirit and Mind (intelligence)

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It teaches me that if man's Spirit is born again he will spend eternity with Him.

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That makes the two versions incompatable.

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Like I said:

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What makes you think I am afraid of knowledge?

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Is that just because I will not accept everything that your God of Science teaches?

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There is no "God of science" and nobody is asking you to accept it blindly.However, you have not even once, since you've been here, extended yourself to even attempt to learn anything about biology or evolution. You recoil from it, in fact. Thus, my question about your fear of knowledge.You have never asked questions and really been open to the answers. All your questions have been asked in a scoffing tone, with all the arrogant confidence of someone who has already decided they already know the answer. Such arrogance and ignorance are often observed together, I've noticed.You have made outrageous unsupported accusations claiming Biologists are perpetrating widespread fraud and conspiracy, yet have not the personal integrity to retract them.

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Your [God of] Science cannot tell you where the universe came from, how or why.

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So what?Just becasue we do not have perfect knowledge of everything doesn't mean we know nothing at all about anything.We DO KNOW how life changed on Earth, just as we know that the sun is the center of the solar system, that germs cause disease, and that matter is made of atoms.

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Yet you want me to believe your God of Science is infallable.

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Hardly.Science, being a humanmade method, is imperfect and will always be such.However, unlike your fallible human interpretation of the Bible, science is set up to improve and correct itself.Your dogma is unchanging and static. Science, by contrast, is constantly getting more and more accurate as we improve our methods and increase our knowledge.But this is not a battle between science and religion, of course.You can certainly believe that your God is the architect of Evolution, created the Universe and the first life, too. None of that affects Cosmology or Evolutionary Biology one bit.But if you deny the reality of God's Creation, insisting that what is written in a 2000 year old pre-scientific book of philosophy must trump the actual rocks, stars, plants, and animals that He created...Well, then, it seems to me that you are engaging in an extreme act of hubris by refusing to accept the reality of God's Creation.

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If that day does not ever come then I will have been proven wrong.

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In the mean time though, you will continue to deny the reality of God's Creation in favor of the explanations of natural phenomena found in a 2000 year old pre-scientific book of philosophy.Like I said.You fear knowledge.

Remember when you quoted Francis Collins in support of an argument?Here's what he has to say about your beliefs: