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jar
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Message 239 of 305 (397006)
04-23-2007 8:54 PM 		Reply to: Message 238 by Fosdick
04-23-2007 8:44 PM

Once again Hoot Mon changes his story
Hoot Mon said:
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...so? Why can't you figure out what happened? It was only abiogenesis, after all”fundamental to the extreme. It ought to be simple enough to explain.
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When I asked why it should be simple he posted a bunch of nonsense messages and finally he posts:
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When its principles are understood it will be simple.
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That is still a non-answer. After the fact, once we understand things the answer is often simple. But that has NOTHING to do with your assertion.
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You said:
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It ought to be simple enough to explain.
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So once again:
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Why should it be simple to explain?
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Until then, we're all just hathching brainstones. I smell a pre-Copernican perfume in the coop, when it comes to explaining abiogenesis. Panspermia, as a seeding mechanism, is not as far fetched as its detractors claim it is. Meanwhile, they need to believe that the God of Biology chose Earth to conduct His blessed lab experiments. How utterly conceited are we?
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Yet another bullshit content free message.
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No one has made such claims.
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And let's deal with the first question before we let you move the goal posts yet again.
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You said:
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It ought to be simple enough to explain.
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So once again:
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Why should it be simple to explain?
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Message 244 of 305 (397093)
04-24-2007 11:18 AM 		Reply to: Message 243 by Fosdick
04-24-2007 11:13 AM

Re: Once again Hoot Mon changes his story
That's the best answer you're going to get from me, jar, and I will take a wild guess that it is not good enough for you (keemosabi).
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You are right it is not good enough because it does not answer the question but simply tosses out another irrelevant truism.
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You said:
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...so? Why can't you figure out what happened? It was only abiogenesis, after all”fundamental to the extreme. It ought to be simple enough to explain.
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Why should it be simple to explain?
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Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Message 257 of 305 (397137)
04-24-2007 4:15 PM 		Reply to: Message 256 by Fosdick
04-24-2007 4:11 PM

Why?
If it was only a chemical process, and if it happened here on earth, I would expect that we would know everything important about it by now.
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Since you can't answer the other question, maybe you can answer this one.
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Why would you expect that we would know everything important about it by now?
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Message 265 of 305 (397170)
04-24-2007 7:57 PM 		Reply to: Message 263 by Fosdick
04-24-2007 7:49 PM

Re: Why?
You are right, I am seldom satisfied with attempts to change the subject and divert attention instead of answering the question.
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The question is :
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Why would you expect that we would know everything important about it by now?
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So far all you have offered is your personal incredulity and sorry, but personal incredulity is unrelated to the question.
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You said "If it was only a chemical process, and if it happened here on earth, I would expect that we would know everything important about it by now."
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So once again:
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The question is :
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Why would you expect that we would know everything important about it by now?
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Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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04-24-2007 8:16 PM 		Reply to: Message 267 by Fosdick
04-24-2007 8:08 PM

Re: Why?
You said "If it was only a chemical process, and if it happened here on earth, I would expect that we would know everything important about it by now."
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Them is the very words you used.
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Now you can continue to try to change the subject as you have many times in this thread, move the goal posts or palm the pea, but them is your very words.
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Those words beg a very simple question...
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Why would you expect that we would know everything important about it by now?
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Message 273 of 305 (397307)
04-25-2007 12:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 270 by Fosdick
04-25-2007 11:02 AM

Still with the non-answers.
I see you are still simply trying to avoid answering the question while moving goal posts and making unsupported assertions.
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jar, don't bother me anymore with this question. I can have any old expectation I like without having to get your approval for it.
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Of course. You can have any expectation you want. I just wondered if there was any reason for such an expectation, and based on your responses, the answer is that you have NO reason for holding such an expectation.
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04-25-2007 1:09 PM 		Reply to: Message 274 by Fosdick
04-25-2007 1:02 PM

Still making unsupported assertions and trying to move goalposts
NO reason good enough for you, perhaps. Why do you cling to your chemicals when molecular biologists have already shown that there is more to life than molecular biology?
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Again, nowhere have I made such an assertion.
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