Problems with Genesis Creation

Poison was not a part of God’s original creation, neither were thorns, sin or death, but Adam’s disobedience (sin) brought about all of these things. After each day of creation God declared his creation “very good.” I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t call poison “very good.” The mutations in fungi to produce Aflatoxin happened after the Fall. Mutations began after the Fall and continue today. The mutations to produce Aflatoxin may give the fungi a survival benefit, but it doesn’t change the fungi into something other than fungi.

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Genetic change over time is part of the Creation Model. It’s also part of observable scientific fact. You make an incorrect logical jump when you equate it with Darwinian Evolution. This is only a horizontal change at best. There are no mutations which cause an upward progression. For example sickle cell anemia is a mutation that gives a survival benefit to people living in areas affected by malaria, but this is not the kind of mutation needed to progress upward from molecules to man. It's a degeneration of the red blood cells.

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Explain the cliffs of Dover to me then. Why is it that all of the younger species are near the top and the primitive ones at the bottom of the cliff? Why over time does the cliff show increasingly complexity? Where did these new traits come from? They obviously were not in the species at the bottom. Why did it take a huge amount of time for these new traits to show up?I've blown titanic sized holes in your argument and you've done nothing but ignore me

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here's a hint. Learn what the ToE actually is.

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But that's breaking the #1 rule of Creationism: Thou Shall Not Get A EducationRule #2 of course is: Thou Shall Not Use Logic

Were tyrannosaurs, sharks, frogs, barn swallows, and bats then not "part of God’s original creation?" All depend absolutely on something dying so they can live. Or did barn swallows eat flying grapes before this Fall?

of course. how could I have forgotten?*scrounges around for latest "The Good Creationist" text*hm. that explains it. The latest issue I have is from this time last year--where it clearly tells them to only avoid an education if possible.I know I've been told that the new issue forbids an education outright, but without that issue, hard to remember.

god said let light come out of darkness first and let land come out
of the deep. Yes am a creationist and I am a science freak to kirk edward gaulden

Well if that is the case, then your god is wrong.It really is that simple, the god you mention is wrong.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

jj, have you noticed that the popular argument for ID is based upon how good the world currently is? How all things are so 'perfect' that there must be a Designer?Would you agree with these claims?I haven't read the entire thread, but if you believe the world used to have a different and better system in place, which obviously isn't here now, why would you argue so much against the ToE?Does it matter how God changed things from the original creation, as long as you are sure that there WAS change?Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.

Genesis also states that God created the Sun, Moon and Stars on the 4th day. How can there be light without a source?

Ok. You are no longer allowed to use the argument "New features cannot evolve" or "Evolution can't cause an increase in information", because you've already admitted that poisons (in plants, animals and fungi) can evolve. Wouldn't want to be called a hypocrite.Edited by Doddy, : update sig

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My dear I am a devoted christian and god said let there be light out
darkness and raised the land from the deep.Thats one for mankind against
evil. Where were you suppose to be watching and make sure thats your problem. kirk edward gaulden creationist

Catman, welcome to the boards.I am not responding to your points, because frankly I can't make heads or tails of your responses.If you are responding to someone in particular use the "reply" button on their message so we know who you are talking to, rather than "general reply"Also, check out the "peek" function for handy code on how to so we can see what part of the text you are responding to.

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My dear I am a devoted christian and god said let there be light out
darkness and raised the land from the deep.

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So? Other religions have other stories of origin that don't follow the same sequence. Merely because it was written does not make it true.

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Thats one for mankind against evil.

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Huh? Furthermore if we use a time line, evil didn't exist. Therefore you cannot score points against something that does not exist.But here's a line from my friend."Honestly I have no idea if you are wrong. I have no idea what you said. You are not making a great deal of sense. May I suggest that you meditate on your thoughts so that you might formulate them into words"

No problems here and they are no hard feelings and they are our childern thats what I do build and thank god. If you have any questions you can
log on and ask me. kirk edward gaulden I've only been here myself about
a week.

No problems here and they are no hard feelings and they are our childern thats what I do build and thank god. If you have any questions you can
log on and ask me. kirk edward gaulden I've only been here myself about
a week.