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Author Topic:   Problems with Genesis Creation
obvious Child
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Message 149 of 173 (397345)
04-25-2007 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by jjsemsch
04-25-2007 11:31 AM


Re: Message 66: 2 of 5
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During the Flood plants and animals were transported and buried. Some would be transported further than others. This is what the evidence shows at the Morrison Formation for example.
Like a good fundementalist you have no idea what you are talking about. The Morrison Formation shows the geological column exactly how evolution predicts it should be. Older species at the bottom, younger at the top. Species that did not live together are not the same strata. Fish fossils are found during the period when the area was a shallow inland sea. Notice how there aren't dinosaurs of pollen plants in the same strata. You are still ignoring the concept of fluid mechanics.
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You don’t need a change in the density of water for this to happen.
Yes you do. Explain to me why the water density is higher in rainforests and swamps then deserts or plains.
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Also the evidence supports many mountain ranges being formed during and shortly after the Flood. The water level would not have to rise to the top of Mount Everest.
WRONG, the only argument in favor of rapid tetonic movements has been admitted to require a miracle by its own author. The heat from 5 + feet a year would be tremendous, possibly enough to melt the crust of the Earth into a molten sea of lava.
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This article also mentions fossils of sea creatures found at the tops of the Himalayas, which is further evidence that the Himalayas were once covered by water.
Wrong again. The fossils found on the tops of mountains are of very old species. While you are right that the Himalayas, or at least the part of the plate the occupy was underwater, they were underwater millions of years ago. If the Himalayas were underwater just a few thousand years ago, we should see fossils of modern marine organisms along with primitive species. That does not occur.
I ask Creationists to find me a strata with two species seperated by eons. None can do it because it does not exist and it is simply EASIER to pretend that creationism is true then examine the facts.
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Are you suggesting that the Grand Canyon is the only canyon in the world? You’ve also forgotten about mountain ranges and other geological formations that were formed during and shortly after the Flood.
No. Merely that the effects of creating such a massive canyon in such tiny amounts of time with no comparable canyons anywhere else on Earth would require special corrosive water that was found nowhere else.
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The pre-Flood Earth was much warmer than our current climate.
Evidence? Or will you just keep lying?
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Also with all of the volcanoes erupting at the bottom of what is now the Atlantic Ocean and elsewhere, the temperature of the water was much higher than it is today. The polar ice caps formed in the Ice Age following the Flood.
Now you're officially ignorant. If the Pre-flood earth was warmer then today with massive volcanic eruptions, where did this energy go? As you stated the water was of a higher temperature. Water is a heat sink. How could it be warmer then after absorbing all of the additional heat of the past? this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Futhermore, a ice age would require a drastic reduction in heat. How could a pre-flood earth that let loose massive amounts of heat lose it so rapidly? Your argument is science free

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obvious Child
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Message 152 of 173 (397349)
04-25-2007 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by jjsemsch
04-25-2007 2:53 PM


Re: My top 20: 13 of 20
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Genetic change over time is part of the Creation Model. It’s also part of observable scientific fact. You make an incorrect logical jump when you equate it with Darwinian Evolution. This is only a horizontal change at best. There are no mutations which cause an upward progression. For example sickle cell anemia is a mutation that gives a survival benefit to people living in areas affected by malaria, but this is not the kind of mutation needed to progress upward from molecules to man. It's a degeneration of the red blood cells.
Explain the cliffs of Dover to me then. Why is it that all of the younger species are near the top and the primitive ones at the bottom of the cliff? Why over time does the cliff show increasingly complexity? Where did these new traits come from? They obviously were not in the species at the bottom. Why did it take a huge amount of time for these new traits to show up?
I've blown titanic sized holes in your argument and you've done nothing but ignore me

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obvious Child
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Message 153 of 173 (397352)
04-25-2007 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by kuresu
04-25-2007 3:14 PM


Re: My top 20: 13 of 20
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here's a hint. Learn what the ToE actually is.
But that's breaking the #1 rule of Creationism: Thou Shall Not Get A Education
Rule #2 of course is: Thou Shall Not Use Logic

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obvious Child
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Message 159 of 173 (397384)
04-25-2007 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by catman62@bellsouth.net
04-25-2007 4:52 PM


Re: quoting the bible genisis
Genesis also states that God created the Sun, Moon and Stars on the 4th day. How can there be light without a source?

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obvious Child
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Message 163 of 173 (397458)
04-26-2007 12:58 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by catman62@bellsouth.net
04-25-2007 10:04 PM


Re: quoting the bible genisis
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My dear I am a devoted christian and god said let there be light out
darkness and raised the land from the deep.
So? Other religions have other stories of origin that don't follow the same sequence. Merely because it was written does not make it true.
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Thats one for mankind against evil.
Huh? Furthermore if we use a time line, evil didn't exist. Therefore you cannot score points against something that does not exist.
But here's a line from my friend.
"Honestly I have no idea if you are wrong. I have no idea what you said. You are not making a great deal of sense. May I suggest that you meditate on your thoughts so that you might formulate them into words"

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obvious Child
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Message 169 of 173 (397553)
04-26-2007 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Nuggin
04-26-2007 2:14 PM


Re: My top 20: 19 of 20
Edit
Edited by AdminPD, : Warning
Edited by obvious Child, : No reason given.

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