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Taz Member (Idle past 3292 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
obvious child writes:
We do what they do in 28 Days Later and 28 Weeks Later. So what do you do with the infected?
But seriously, about the best thing we can do is wait for them to grow old and die and hope that the next generations will be less and less infected. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
obvious Child writes: ... this is just one board. What's your point? Who's claiming that EvC is the cure for all the world's ills?
But you know that they will simply wash, rinse and repeat the same lies over and over and over again. The nature of cleaning is that it's an on-going process. If it's going to get dirty again, is that an excuse to never clean it?
So what do you do with the infected? Minimize the damage they can do. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
obvious child writes:
We do what they do in 28 Days Later and 28 Weeks Later. So what do you do with the infected?
run away?
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Taz Member (Idle past 3292 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
{edited - Taz Dev}
Edited by Tazmanian Devil, : No reason given. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 3994 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
I`ve always admired the old-timers here for their endless patience and tenacity. No sooner do they explain an allegation away (and at some considerable length), than the fool factory sends a new generation here with the same idiotic claim. The mind-set of the invader isn`t to learn, but to defeat the evilutionist with impeccable logic. And with god`s backing, how can he/she fail? How is she/he to know the ammunition is flawed. After all it SOUNDS right. Even the title of our forum speaks of confrontation--evolution VERSUS creation. So they come here not to learn, but to slay the dragon. And when the plan comes apart, they predictably use the fall-back line--'You`ll go to hell'. Or variations of it.
Judo teaches us not to oppose force with force (although I wish a few Black Belts would remember that), but to use your opponent's strength against himself. Maybe, instead of resisting fundies with the full majesty of our righteous knowledge, we should agree with them, then suggest we improve their argument by making it impregnable by tidying up the weak points. On the journey, we can white-ant his/her beliefs until the penny drops. Or not, as the case may be.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5849 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Nightrain:
Judo teaches us not to oppose force with force (although I wish a few Black Belts would remember that), but to use your opponent's strength against himself. Maybe, instead of resisting fundies with the full majesty of our righteous knowledge, we should agree with them, then suggest we improve their argument by making it impregnable by tidying up the weak points. I tried that with Percy and Nosy. Let em state their case, even agree with the correct points, and then ask the question which exposes the weak link and point of tension. But they only became confused and wished it away. Here it is with Nosy: http://EvC Forum: Information and purpose or no purpose. -->EvC Forum: Information and purpose or no purpose. And Percy: http://EvC Forum: Information and purpose or no purpose. -->EvC Forum: Information and purpose or no purpose. By the way, Jesus also said not to resist an evil person (I'm having difficulty learning the discipline). But He did know how to use thier own words against them by asking the proper question and revealing the false assumptions. I personally reccommend that all of you continue to talk down to us 'fundies'. It is what character building is made of. When I am no longer offended, I will have mastered the discipline. Oh, and thanks!
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Rob writes: I personally reccommend that all of you continue to talk down to us 'fundies'. It is what character building is made of. When I am no longer offended, I will have mastered the discipline. So you're working on mastering the ability to maintain both your equanimity and your ignorance at the same time.
Here it is with Nosy: http://EvC Forum: Information and purpose or no purpose. -->EvC Forum: Information and purpose or no purpose. That's one of your messages, not Nosy's.
And Percy: http://EvC Forum: Information and purpose or no purpose. -->EvC Forum: Information and purpose or no purpose. That's one of your messages, not mine.
By the way, Jesus also said not to resist an evil person... Most evil people think they're one of the good guys. How do you know you're not one of the people Jesus was talking about? --Percy
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5849 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Percy:
Most evil people think they're one of the good guys. How do you know you're not one of the people Jesus was talking about? That is the question isn't it? Jesus told us how... I already know I am an evil person. It is you who need to see yourself as you really are. Even that makes no sense to you in your tower of righteousness. So that is how I know. As for the comments being mine, I know... that was the point; to show Nighttrain how I had used his suggested technique. It failed because the hearer has no ears to hear or eyes to see. Edited by Rob, : No reason given. Edited by Rob, : No reason given.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3598 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
Quetzal: Ignorance and superstition will almost always trump science and reason. It's ever so much easier to swallow. Winning a debate is one thing. Winning a straw poll is another. I wasn't talking about the latter. The debate is in the bag. You hold all the trumps. But a partisan audience is a partisan audience. Whether the debate is Science versus Pseudoscience or Republicans versus Democrats or Coke versus Pepsi or PC versus Mac--if you're talking to a roomful of people who have already decided they're for one side of the thing, you won't win the straw poll. There aren't enough undecided voters in the room to manage it. If you sway them all you still come in under 50%. The decided voters won't budge. Not in one day, anyway. Talk to the audience anyway, for all the reasons I said. Accept that you're talking to a partisan crowd with all the rights and privileges thereunto pertaining--then go in and do what you can. You have reality on your side. It's still the best opportunity they will have to hear an unfiltered presentation about science and how it works. Reality is bigger than one audience. Talk to those undecideds in the room who are afraid to say out loud that they are undecided. They are always there. They aren't saying much, but they are listening. _____ Edited by Archer Opterix, : html. Archer All species are transitional.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5500 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Rob, you said:
I already know I am an evil person.
I'll take you word for it. But I don't have a clue as to what you mean. If your religion taught you that, then your religion is evil, too. I am not religious, and I don't believe I am evil. I am not perfect, either. If I ever chose to join a religion, it would have three tenets: 1) nothing is naturally evil, and everything is natural; 2) God (or Big Black Mambo Mamma, et al.) blessed me with a chance to participate in nature, and what I can or cannot do with this opportunity in ENTIRELY up to me; and 3) there is only ONE "heaven," which is more properly referred to as "Earth's biosphere"”'ashes to ashes, dust to dust'. That's all. ”HM
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3598 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
Ye Olde Double Post.
Edited by Archer Opterix, : Ye Olde Double Post. Archer All species are transitional.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3598 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
Percy: Most evil people think they're one of the good guys. How do you know you're not one of the people Jesus was talking about? Rob: Jesus told us how... I already know I am an evil person. [...] So that is how I know. You know you're not one of the evil guys because you know you are one of the evil guys. Okay. So much for morality as an absolute... Archer All species are transitional.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5915 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
Percy writes:
Most evil people think they're one of the good guys. How do you know you're not one of the people Jesus was talking about?
Rob writes: That is the question isn't it? I few months ago you mentioned firearms (ownership and specification) in a way to intimidate a fellow poster here. That went a long way to answering some questions. I would have canned your ass right there because I wondering just how stable you are.
Rob writes: I already know I am an evil person. It is you who need to see yourself as you really are. Even that makes no sense to you in your tower of righteousness. So that is how I know. Can i add, one with a really big persecution complex? As far as self-imagined righteousness, you take top honors. You keep on spouting off like you are walking lock step with your buddy Jesus.
Rob writes: It failed because the hearer has no ears to hear or eyes to see. Of course you end with the very point to make my case of your false sense of righteousness and superiority. Edited by iceage, : Now just where are those rolling eye's emoticon
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5849 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
HM:
1) nothing is naturally evil, and everything is natural; Everything? Even Rape, murder, slander, etc...? I knew that comment was going to cause the food critics to start opining. The context implicit in my admission of evil and sin, is that I had to doubt myself, before I could come to Christ. But since so many do not ever consider that they are evil, they do not need God. So... Percy's question was really for himself, not I. I have already questioned myself. And that is what led me to my present worldview.
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