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Message 166 of 305 (397678)
04-27-2007 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by Adminnemooseus
04-27-2007 4:31 AM


Re: ESG
A future enhancement will allow members to begin threads where they can control participation. There will be two approaches they can choose from. In both approaches they will create a list of member names. In one approach, only members on the list can participate. In the other approach, everyone except members on the list can participate. The thread originator and moderators can always participate whether they're on the list or not.

This feature would not be enabled in every forum. Site administrators would decide which forums have this feature enabled.

There's no schedule at this time for this feature.


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Message 167 of 305 (397815)
04-27-2007 8:22 PM
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04-27-2007 7:50 AM


Re: ESG
A dangerous move, I suggest, Percy. In a world becoming more devoted to censorship and locking up options, where political correctness still gags debate, the very openness of EVC would join those who can`t or won`t defend their beliefs in open forums. Who said special privileges should be available to the nutters of this world? Denying confrontation lets weird beliefs flourish. There are many other sites where you can have your neurotics stroked. Why add EvC to them and diminish free thought?

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Message 168 of 305 (397827)
04-27-2007 9:34 PM


Adminnemooseus writes:

Congratulations to all the mushroom people. You've just buried a presumably interesting topic somewhere it didn't belong.

No time warning - Closing now. Learn from this experience.

Adminnemooseus

Shoot.

I was just about to explain to "the opossum, Didelphis virginiana"(poor little guy, just trying to do what the dormouse said...) how to process Amanita muscaria to minimize those toxins.

Well, I suppose he can google it.

In the meantime, Adminnemooseus, are YOU going to be there to tell him to sip some OJ, splash his face with cool water, and put on some mellow music?

I hope so.


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Message 169 of 305 (397981)
04-28-2007 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Admin
04-27-2007 7:50 AM


Re: ESG
So are you going to respond to my last post to you, or are you leaving it to your hatchet men to label my very focused remarks as 'lot's of words' and close the proposed thread?

www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=25&t=2830&m=20#20 -->www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=25&t=2830&m=20#20">http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=25&t=2830&m=20#20

If Nosy acted alone, then what do you suggest?

Perhaps we could have a 'Percy and Rob only' thread on the issue of Information. Maybe HootMon could join us. Or mike the wiz...

We could discuss whether information has intrisic purpose, and 'information theory' in general.

I'd discuss it with Nosy, but he operates on the naturalist framework of, 'If you don't understand, just wish it away'. If it is just out reach intellectually, then since he is all-knowing, it must not be alegitimate concept. It is otherwise known as 'arrogance'.

I take solice in the fact that I am not the one who is labling opponents and refusing to respond. That I am willing to engage the issue, rather than attack the person.

that's what I've been asked to do before, yet here the Admins conspire to do that very thing?


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Message 170 of 305 (398073)
04-29-2007 5:06 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by Rob
04-28-2007 6:30 PM


Re: ESG
I consider referring to information theorists as "moralliy destitute magicians" consititute a personal attack (or was it merely intended to apply to Percy ?)

OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message or continue in this vein.
Take comments to the Moderation Thread.
AdminPD

Edited by AdminPD, : Warning


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Message 171 of 305 (398084)
04-29-2007 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by Rob
04-28-2007 6:30 PM


Re: ESG
Hi Rob,

Let me try making the point another way.

Rob writes:

Perhaps we could have a 'Percy and Rob only' thread on the issue of Information. Maybe HootMon could join us. Or mike the wiz...

I went to an automotive site and claimed that people could save a lot of money by putting water in their gas tank instead of gasoline. All I got was a lot of rudeness and ridicule, and when I challenged people to debate they just laughed at me or ignored me. They kept claiming I knew nothing about internal combustion engines, which is ridiculous. When I quoted Romans 5:3 they said I was off-topic. When I told them they were arrogant they said I was becoming personal. That they're all conspiring to silence my idea is evidence of its validity.

Sound familiar?

I really enjoy discussing information theory, but your history here indicates that your contributions would consist of Bible quotes, preaching, denigration of others, and ignoring what others say. Information theory would never actually get discussed. My suggestion stands that you should learn a little about information theory, just so you can make accurate criticisms. I don't believe it is within my power, or anyone's power but His, to force you to learn something you don't want to. The willingness to do so has to come from within you.


--Percy
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Message 172 of 305 (398102)
04-29-2007 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by Admin
04-29-2007 9:55 AM


Re: ESG
Admin:
I went to an automotive site and claimed that people could save a lot of money by putting water in their gas tank instead of gasoline. All I got was a lot of rudeness and ridicule, and when I challenged people to debate they just laughed at me or ignored me. They kept claiming I knew nothing about internal combustion engines, which is ridiculous. When I quoted Romans 5:3 they said I was off-topic. When I told them they were arrogant they said I was becoming personal. That they're all conspiring to silence my idea is evidence of its validity.

Sound familiar?

Absolutely!

It reminds me of the Pharisees and their mock trial of Christ.

Please show all of us where anything I (or Jesus) has said that is incorrect.

We're not just supposed to call people liars. We're supposed to show evidence. Your little illustration makes it very clear, but there is nothing equivalent to your illustration in our prior discourse.

It is easy for you to wax eloquent... here in the safety of your own creation. So sing to your choir Percy. Pass out the awards to your army. I for one, am thoroughly unimpressed.

Edited by Admin, : Fix dBCodes.


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Message 173 of 305 (398122)
04-29-2007 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 172 by Rob
04-29-2007 10:57 AM


Opportunity lost
You were given a chance to discuss your ideas about informtion starting with the obviously necessary definition of terms. However, you decided that would be too difficult so you waffled on as usual. If you want to try again say so here and I'll open the thread so you may.

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Message 174 of 305 (398134)
04-29-2007 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Rob
04-29-2007 10:57 AM


Re: ESG
Let's see how accurate what I said was:

Percy: I really enjoy discussing information theory, but your history here indicates that your contributions would consist of Bible quotes, preaching,...

Rob: It reminds me of the Pharisees and their mock trial of Christ. Please show all of us where anything I (or Jesus) has said that is incorrect.

Percy: ...denigration of others,...

Rob: It is easy for you to wax eloquent... here in the safety of your own creation. So sing to your choir Percy. Pass out the awards to your army. I for one, am thoroughly unimpressed.

Percy: ...and ignoring what others say.

Rob: <wanders off-topic and fails to address the issues raised>

The concern is that if we promoted your poorly formulated topic proposal that it would quickly deteriorate into the same hash of preaching, Bible quotes, denigration and topic-drift as other threads in which you've participated, and just as you've done in the message I'm replying to.

EvC Forum already has a set of Forum Guidelines that you agreed to follow when you joined. If you submit a topic proposal that follows the Forum Guidelines, which you can do by modifying your proposal in line with the provided feedback, then it will be promoted. It's as simple as that.


--Percy
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Message 175 of 305 (398194)
04-29-2007 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Admin
04-29-2007 12:17 PM


Re: ESG
Well it is becoming clear that this is not going well.

Ya Think?

I find it fascinating that a group of 'naturalist zealots' can sit and claim that it is I who am denigrating others. The indignation and fury pours from the your bench...

What is more fascinating, is that each of us feels we are the one's speaking the truth, so... when you denigrate and label and judge, it is only a fact. It is therefore not really denigrating, it is only a proclamation of truth.

And the same goes for me...

When I said this is like the Pharisees mock trial of Christ, I am only making a 'declaration of truth'. I am stating a fact. So excuse me if that is taken as an offense.

This is 'litterally' right out of the Bible. This is exactly what Jesus said would happen to me if I dared to stand and speak to you.

It was the leadership who claimed that jesus was speaking nonsense and casting spells. It was they who called Him mad and demon posessed. But the irony is, that they had it backwards. They were the ones speaking nonsense. And as Jesus said then, I say now, 'Why is my language not clear to you'?

I am told to go back and re-work my thread proposal because it is non-sensicle (to you). But the fact is, it makes excellent sense. You do not have to be C.S. Lewis or 'mike the wiz' to understand it. But you actually have to be humble for once in your life and listen. To actually put yourself into the position of maybe being wrong, and consider that angle. Attempt to see through that lens.

But you know you are not wrong don't you? There's not a doubt in your mind...

I have to submit to humilty often here at EVC. And it is brutal! Mostly because I am a proud man like you. But I am getting better thanks to Christ. You remain the same.

Why it is that only I must be patient, listening, and kind is a mystery. It is as though I am speaking to people who consider themselves to be gods. It is as though we are on different parallel planets, yet here we are sharing the same space. We are transposed from the same image; one a negative and the other positive.

It is not my fault that you cannot understand what I said. And it would do me no good to complain about it. But this double standard of arrogance and vilification is mesmerizing.

I don't know what else to say. I am pouring myself out, almost dying to help you understand. But since you already do, you do not need me. The simple fact that I claim to understand something you do not is an offense to you in the highest order.

What do you suggest since your forum guidelines were not violated in any way by my proposed topic?

It was a simple question, "Does information have intrinsic purpose"?

My answer is yes.

And it is a complicated issue that does not lend itself to direct observation or proclamation. It is not supportable or verifiable other than to say, that any words we speak are only valid if the assertion to my question (in the affirmative) is true.

But it is revealed within the discourse itself. personally, I am happy with it as it stands, though few may be able to grasp what was said, at least it is there. If the good Lord wishes to direct someone who can make use of it, there it be.

One thing is certain, none of it serves your purposes. But for the record, it doesn't even serve my own. I get nothing but grief out of it all in pure material terms. My cross I suppose... I am almost beginning to enjoy it.


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Message 176 of 305 (398199)
04-29-2007 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Rob
04-29-2007 5:44 PM


Re: ESG
Hi Rob,

I understand you're unhappy with the non-promotion of your recent proposals, and I'm trying to help you get them promoted. But you've registered your dissatisfaction in a couple places where it is off-topic, and we don't seem to be finding any common ground here in this thread, so it's time to bring discussion to a close. Here's the bottom line.

We're talking about a topic proposal. If you submit a topic proposal that is in accord with the Forum Guidelines and adheres to normal standards of clarity and presentation, it will be promoted. Normally one would improve an unsatisfactory topic proposal by applying the provided feedback, but if you choose not to take that approach then I'm afraid you have only two remaining options: 1) find a more sympathetic moderator - AdminBuzsaw and AdminPhat are possibilities; 2) move on.


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Message 177 of 305 (398254)
04-29-2007 11:57 PM


adminnemooseus
in response to general issues and specific issues:

i really thought it was the only logical answer to an illogical statement. you know what i'm referring to. i've not needed genuine "cooling" since faith left.

i always use proper capitalization at work. but this is play.


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Message 178 of 305 (398275)
04-30-2007 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by macaroniandcheese
04-29-2007 11:57 PM


Re: adminnemooseus
i always use proper capitalization at work. but this is play.

And here we thought proximity to Arach was contagious. :D


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Message 179 of 305 (398280)
04-30-2007 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by macaroniandcheese
04-29-2007 11:57 PM


Re: adminnemooseus
brennakimi writes:

i always use proper capitalization at work. but this is play.


I'm just curious. Do you purposely not hit the shift button to save time, to distinct your writing style from the rest of us, because you know some of us (me for instance) are annoyed by the lack of capitalization, or because there is some other great purpose for the great scheme of things I haven't thought of?


Disclaimer:

Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style.

He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!


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Message 180 of 305 (398296)
04-30-2007 7:54 AM
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04-30-2007 1:52 AM


Punctuation at EvC
Taz,talking to Brennakimi writes:

I'm just curious. Do you purposely not hit the shift button to save time, to distinct your writing style from the rest of us, because you know some of us (me for instance) are annoyed by the lack of capitalization, or because there is some other great purpose for the great scheme of things I haven't thought of?

Personally, I like to craft my posts with at least some punctuation and capitalization because it makes them more professional and easier to read. Spell-check helps also. Whenever we have a new topic in PNT, I am also more inclined to promote it if it is not just one big block of words without paragraphs! ;)


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