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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 271 of 301 (398457)
04-30-2007 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by nator
04-30-2007 10:58 AM


Re: Psychological profiles
he was required to enter an institution involuntarily, but the fact that he never entered it was the loophole that allowed him to pass the background check. they have since fixed that problem.

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Message 272 of 301 (398459)
04-30-2007 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by One_Charred_Wing
04-30-2007 8:14 PM


Re: Criminals will still get guns
Oh, and their POTENTIALS aren't different-- They can both kill something. What you meant was the difference in LIKELYHOOD and ACCESSIBILITY of their full potential.

You keep drawing these bizarre equivalences. If guns aren't a significant technological improvement in terms of kill power, then why were they invented?


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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 273 of 301 (398461)
04-30-2007 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by kuresu
04-30-2007 12:22 PM


Re: Criminals will still get guns
And the fact that a lot of these people died from starvation (thanks to collectivization of agriculture) means they should have had guns?

if you're referring to the false famines under stalin, i think you ought to reconsider your opinion on it. they were instituted to break the will of a potentially dissident group.

And if you'll pay attention to the thread, both schraf and brenna have put forward some solutions.

but nuggin hasn't done anything but whine either, so we'll let the ns do nothing.

Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.


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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 274 of 301 (398462)
04-30-2007 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by nator
04-30-2007 12:35 PM


Re: Criminals will still get guns
Justafiable use of a firearm in self defense is quite rare, according to the evidence.

your evidence if i remember only makes it rare in comparison to homicide. but i might be wrong. of course if homicide is decreasing, then self-defense must be as well. i's just being a pain. ignore me.


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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 275 of 301 (398463)
04-30-2007 8:33 PM
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04-30-2007 12:45 PM


Re: Criminals will still get guns
(The human clavicle makes it fairly hard to deliver a fatal blow with a chopping, overhand attack with something as light as a machete.)

tell that to the million dead in rwanda.

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic message.


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Message 276 of 301 (398465)
04-30-2007 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by Hyroglyphx
04-30-2007 1:08 PM


Re: Psychological profiles
What the test really was is something that penalizes the honest, but passes the dishonest. I could have lied. I could have given them everything they wanted to hear to make myself out to be the very quintessence of a goody-two-shoes. But that would have been wrong of me to do.

it's not designed to penalize the honest. the fact that you were stuck with a poor clinician is a big issue. however, it is designed to trip up the severely disturbed and identify personality issues. i've taken one too. i didn't describe how i take great pleasure in utterly annihilating insects and arachnids when it asked me about being cruel to animals. centipedes may technically be animals but THEY DESERVE TO DIEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

being overtly honest is actually symptomatic of a few personality issues. so maybe the police department is better off than you think ;)


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crashfrog
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Message 277 of 301 (398466)
04-30-2007 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by macaroniandcheese
04-30-2007 8:33 PM


Re: Criminals will still get guns
tell that to the million dead in rwanda.

They died of blood loss and sepsis from nonfatal wounds.


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Message 278 of 301 (398467)
04-30-2007 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by ringo
04-30-2007 6:15 PM


Re: No Self Defense
tell that to nuggin ;)

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 279 of 301 (398468)
04-30-2007 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by crashfrog
04-30-2007 7:41 PM


off-topic
But a few high-profile cases of pedophiles sent away for a long time on the basis of cell-phone video evidence would be an incredible deterrent, I would think.

you just convinced me to get my kids cell phones.

now back to guns.


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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 280 of 301 (398469)
04-30-2007 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by Nuggin
04-30-2007 5:12 PM


Re: No Self Defense
When we reply that that's not what we said, you say "You haven't offered any solutions."

BECAUSE WE"VE SPENT ALL OUR TIME TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU GODDAMN MOUTHBREATHERS WHAT THE FUCKING DEBATE IS ABOUT!!!!

message 186, thread redirection

well that's easy enough to say.

where do you propose we draw it?

i say we turn a new page in this thread and go in that direction.

this post was a response to you and you haven't made any additions.

:p


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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 281 of 301 (398470)
04-30-2007 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by crashfrog
04-30-2007 9:07 PM


off-topic
well, considering that all of my research talks about people being cut into several pieces and children being forced to watch their parents be decapitated, i think maybe your 'death by sepsis' is a bit misaimed. i mean, i guess if you cut off someone's legs and arms and hack out her guts and her unborn fetus (so someone doesn't jump on me) and take a few whacks at her head and neck, then she really does die of bloodloss. but, i think somewhere in there we hit fatal wounding.

last one, admin, i promise.


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Vacate
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Message 282 of 301 (398478)
04-30-2007 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by macaroniandcheese
04-30-2007 2:10 PM


Guns in Canada
quote:
Any amunition not nessesary to kill a deer or a rat becomes illegal

brennakimi writes:

bears? i know people who have to deal with those on a daily basis. and they live in big cities.

Point noted. The bear hunters I know have told me it does take more to drop a bear. I have not been told that they require and uzi and armor piercing rounds though.

Regarding others posts: ( in general, not directed at brennakimi)

On message 223 nator posted the following: (edited)

quote:

Murders committed with handguns annually:

United States 8,915
Canada 8

Murder rate (per 100,000 people):

United States 8.40
Canada 5.45


I have been around guns my whole life. Most of my family on both sides are hunters. Rifles and shotguns are the norm as far as I am concerned. For the purpose of self defence - a shotgun works just as well as an uzi for repelling a crack addict.

Most of the robberies that I read about in my city are done with knives, on occation a handgun - but that is rare. Canadians do not (as a whole) own handguns, its just not seen as important. I dont have a bunch of statistics to back up my claims, but I do feel guns designed for the purpose of killing humans will promote killing humans. I read somewhere, and am willing to retract, that Canadians have more guns per person than Americans - yet gun related deaths are far far lower.

The problem, as I see it, is availability. While you fight to keep your stockpiles of weapons you cannot realisticly claim that the problem is with councelling or government funding to predict future madmen. The problem is future madmen can buy whatever they want to begin their killing spree. Handguns and assualt rifles make murder simple - killing 32 people with a knife is impossible for a killing spree.

Arming for a future revolution is simply absurd and claiming that resrictions will not stop the criminals does not seem to be reflected by the data - if that where the case then Canada should be a candy land of crime.

Edited by Vacate, : No reason given.


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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 283 of 301 (398499)
05-01-2007 1:35 AM
Reply to: Message 272 by crashfrog
04-30-2007 8:22 PM


Re: Criminals will still get guns
You keep drawing these bizarre equivalences. If guns aren't a significant technological improvement in terms of kill power, then why were they invented?

"Kill power"? Bro, even in an RPG I don't think there's ever a need to kill something extra good... er, besides undead, by definition. Those aren't an issue in the streets last I checked. ANYWAY

If what you're trying to say is that it's easier to kill lots of people with guns than with a pair of scissors, then you're absolutely right. But both certainly have the potential to kill a human being; they both can kill human beings until they break or jam.

Unless you'll suggest that a weapon has the potential to damage somebody's soul, the most potential a weapon has is to kill somebody. A boot can do that. But it's by far more LIKELY that a gun will do this, according to the stats. Thus the potential of killing via a gun (point and pull the trigger) is more ACCESSIBLE than the potential of scissors(restrain them, then stab in vital points until they stop moving?). You won't find these terms in anything I've read, but I've defined them here pretty clearly. Are there any disagreements here?


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Jon
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Message 284 of 301 (398504)
05-01-2007 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by nator
04-30-2007 10:58 AM


Re: Psychological profiles
Nator writes:

Unless I am mistaken, a magistrate put him in a mental institution involuntarily because he was considered a danger to himself and others. That should be part of the public record, and therefore should pop up on a background check.

People like that shouldn't be allowed to purchase a firearm without a lengthy waiting period and additional criminal and psychological evaluations.

We also should not be depending upon the customer to be truthful on the application to purchase the gun.

How in-depth will the psychological analysis be? Next to everyone has some sort of mental/emotional problems. You, for example, are dependent on your need to always have the final say, no matter if you're wrong or right. That seems like it'd make you pretty dangerous with a gun, no?

Should people like you have the right to carry a firearm? You seem like you'd be more likely to resort to putting a bullet in someone's chest just to finish an argument than would someone who's not so obsessive about always having the final say.

Jon

Edited by Jon, : Added quote box to make it more obvious to whom the reply was.


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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 285 of 301 (398506)
05-01-2007 2:06 AM
Reply to: Message 284 by Jon
05-01-2007 2:00 AM


Re: Psychological profiles
you're really not contributing to anything. why don't you suggest your own policies or move along.

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