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mike the wiz
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Message 13 of 84 (39775)
05-11-2003 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by NimLore
10-24-2002 10:04 PM


it was a very nice bit of writing , however you'll probably be attacked by the same old , 'wheres your proof , arguements from the usual evo fans, however your faith is better than their fruitless attacks
let no fool convince you that their is no God as they are for sure faithless!!!

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Message 15 of 84 (39844)
05-12-2003 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Dan Carroll
05-12-2003 10:36 AM


People with no faith in God are not necessarily faithless. Their faith is simply not directed where you would like it to be.
however what they lack is faith in God!!!
'why do you see it as an attack if the response is, "why should I believe that?"'
yes but for some reason evos think we should know every silly little question and if we dont know we are wrong , which is not true , non believers are always looking for evidence but it is clearly stated in the new testament that whoever believes is saved , this is why i think you should believe , i know its a cynical world but i do want people to believe for their own sakes believe it or not.

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Message 17 of 84 (39850)
05-12-2003 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Mike Holland
05-12-2003 8:41 PM


'Do you have faith in unicorns? - mentioned many times in the Bible. Do you have faith in fairies? If not, then we can call you faithless, too.'
but can you say you have faith in Jesus Christ who died for our sins.
a fairy doesn't grant me everlasting life , nor a unicorn , indeed the difference between these are obvious to see, please come up with something better than that , next you'll be asking me to worship a rock. lol.

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Message 19 of 84 (39852)
05-12-2003 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Dan Carroll
05-12-2003 8:57 PM


and your arguments are feeble to say the least.
'It is clearly stated in The Iliad that if a warrior falls in battle he will live forever in the Elysian Fields. Are you rushing out to grab your spear?'
did iliad or anyone in it die for your sin?
indeed is the iliad the best selling book in the world , no , why ,cos the bible is , and the millions who believe , the majority of people on earth are you offering them something better?

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Message 21 of 84 (39857)
05-12-2003 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Dan Carroll
05-12-2003 9:28 PM


'Why should what one book says be more convincing than what another says?'
well first of all winnie the pooh is fiction based were as the bible is fact based.
'So it's numbers that matter now?'
not really but the vast majority of people buy the bible more than any other book because they believe it true, you asked for one reason and i gave it.
'Britney Spears is the best musician in the world right now...'
well personally i prefer pink floyd , however what has this got to do with the bible.
'Which is what you took offense to in the first place.)'
by all means dont believe , but dont insist that there is no truth in the word of God to me because i wont believe it , because it has phrophesised more things than any other book , and has clearly predicted events in my life which HAVE come to pass!!!

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Message 23 of 84 (39867)
05-12-2003 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by truthlover
05-12-2003 10:04 PM


Why should I believe you over Gandhi? Why should I choose the Bible over the Gita?
Because Jesus offers you everlasting life.
Because Jesus forgets your sins and you are born again in spirit.
because Ghandi is not God, he cannot perform the miracles Jesus performed . Look at all the books if you want and i promise you you WILL be satisfied with Gods message to us in the bible, remember God loves you too despite your erguements and is capable of saving you, and Jesus said 'my words shall never pass' was not he right
(ending replies here as i am sick of people coming back to me on this , believe what you want but if i dont believe in trucks it doesn't mean one wont hit me if i walk on to a motorway , i'll leave you with that thought)

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Message 27 of 84 (39972)
05-13-2003 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by crashfrog
05-12-2003 10:35 PM


'If you don't want people to talk about your beliefs why do you voice them so publicly? If your faith can't survive a couple of questions best you keep it to yourself.'
i dont recall saying my faith hasn't survived a topic,can you show me where i said this?
actually it was 2 am and i was tired , so sorry to disapoint you evos but i still do believe everything i have said , (LAST COMMENT , IS THAT ALLRIGHT)

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Message 29 of 84 (39976)
05-13-2003 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by crashfrog
05-13-2003 5:26 PM


'it was a very nice bit of writing , however you'll probably be attacked by the same old , 'wheres your proof , arguements from the usual evo fans, however your faith is better than their fruitless attacks'
this is my prediction which came true,i'm not scared of any come backs and it wasn't an excuse to get the last word in either , it was simply good manners to say i was leaving the web!
'It's like you're sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "I can't hear you!"'
i have answered to the best of my ability and its not that i dont hear its just, all you are trying to do is say 'i'm right your wrong '
and frankly i just cant be bothered with that . NOTHING has changed my mind from what i have heard!

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Message 31 of 84 (39983)
05-13-2003 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Dan Carroll
05-13-2003 6:00 PM


'But if you're going to stroll out in public and start telling people that they should also believe in Christianity, they're going to ask you why they should. If your reasons don't meet their standards, they're going to point out why that is'
i never have done this nor have i tryed to do it.if i did i would ask them to read the new testament which personally i did believe! i am not forcing anything on anyone.

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Message 34 of 84 (40309)
05-15-2003 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Rrhain
05-14-2003 7:13 PM


'Going by the numbers, most people on this planet think you're god is nothing more than a fantasy you made up.'
i did not make the bible up , it says everything in it is true and can you disprove it?
'No. The afterlife doesn't work that way. Whether you end up in Tartarus or the Elysian Fields has nothing to do with whether or not anybody else died for you. It has only to do with what you did'
where as in the bible nothing we do is worthy of heaven.the only way to heaven is Jesus Christ who does not require us to physically fight anyone!

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mike the wiz
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Message 38 of 84 (40433)
05-16-2003 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by NosyNed
05-16-2003 2:14 AM


'Let's see Mike, The bible says everything in it is true so since it says so it must be true, right? Hardly a compelling argument is it?'
i meant only that it can not be completely removed by any suggestion, also he said something silly suggesting i made the bible up, and i disagree it is not only my belief but millions that believe , so stop trying to get me to proove it scientifically as you already know i cannot, all i was saying is that the word of God is not a fantasy.

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Message 44 of 84 (40565)
05-18-2003 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by nator
05-18-2003 8:30 AM


'Now, can't you see that you are being inconsistent, taking literally and holding hard to the exact wording of some sections of the bible and then turning around and just throwing some things completely away, such as the existence of unicorns?'
but i have never heard unicorns mentioned in the bible , its a big book and honestly i just have not read it all. and his point was that i should have faith in unicorns not if i believe in them , in fact faith in God has purpose and is a gift from God that he is more important than an animal IS obvious and i dont recall the bible telling me to have faith in animals.whether unicorns exist or not.

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mike the wiz
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Message 45 of 84 (40567)
05-18-2003 11:22 AM
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05-18-2003 8:30 AM


why do you always pick on me schrafinator , i'm a nice boy .lol

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mike the wiz
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Message 49 of 84 (40702)
05-19-2003 9:18 PM
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05-18-2003 7:20 PM


'Well then, if all you need to "have faith in" is God, and perhaps Jesus, then why do reject all of modern Biology in favor of a literal reading of a few lines of Genesis?'
because God has always existed for me i cannot remember a certain time i didnt believe, i kind of always believed even by my own choice. (was not brain washed).
'The bible also talks about dragons and talking donkeys'
i dont dispute whether these creatures existed or not , also many believers have not read all of the bible not just me.only God has only ever shown me what fully matters -his love for us,Jesus and having faith in him,which essentially is my point , that he says have faith in God he does not say have faith in animals . listen why can't you just admitt its a weak arguement , faith in God IS special , God comes through wher as nothing of earth we place our faith in is for certain!
and by the way the "picking on me " thing was just a joke you do not have to argue with me on that aswell do you?

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Message 53 of 84 (40737)
05-20-2003 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by crashfrog
05-19-2003 9:31 PM


hi crash
'That doesn't even begin to answer the question.'
but the arguement was why have faith in God,i believe in the bible o.k i have not read every word but i have read most of it and forgive me but it does not say have faith in animals.also crash i am not against biology and scientific FACT like she suggests but surely you can see the difference between God and an animal.-poor arguement!
'Again, why does that have to mean creationism to you? I for one am curious. '
because one man brought sin into the world and one man took it out therefore genesis is the foundation of my faith and creation.

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