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Catman, do you speak English? Because the nature of your responses leads me to believe that you are simply cutting and pasting some text from someplace. You address neither the posts you are responding to, nor make points of your own.
jj, have you noticed that the popular argument for ID is based upon how good the world currently is? How all things are so 'perfect' that there must be a Designer? Would you agree with these claims?
Yes, this is a very sound and logical argument. The irreducible complexity in living things and the complexity of the food chain make an Intelligent Designer a logical conclusion. The human brain is vastly more complex than the world’s best supercomputers and yet no one assumes that a computer didn’t have a designer. The only problem I see with the Intelligent Design Movement is that they fail to specifically name the Designer.
I haven't read the entire thread, but if you believe the world used to have a different and better system in place, which obviously isn't here now, why would you argue so much against the ToE?
Does it matter how God changed things from the original creation, as long as you are sure that there WAS change?
Yes God originally created the Earth “very good”. That “perfection” that you and I see that requires a Designer is still a reflection of that original “very good” creation. But you and I both know that the world we live in is far from perfect. That “change” that first started when Adam was disobedient to God (sinned) and God cursed the Earth because of Adam’s sin. I don’t disagree with mutations, natural selection and speciation. I disagree with molecules to man Darwinian Evolution. Darwinian Evolution contradicts the Bible and I accept the Word of God over the word of man.
Yes, how the change happened and which direction the change is heading is very important. The changes we see in nature are a downward progression. This is consistent with God creating all plants, animals and humans “very good” and since degenerating as a result of the curse.
I've yet to see something that actually is irreducibly complex. How about showing us one IC thing?
the complexity of the food chain
Make that "food web" and you'll have a better argument. There's hardly anything complex in a food chain, where energy moves in one direction--to the final consumer. Even in a food web all the energy moves in one direction--to the consumers. How is that movement of energy complex?