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Message 166 of 173 (397512)
04-26-2007 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by catman62@bellsouth.net
04-25-2007 10:04 PM


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    Message 167 of 173 (397541)
    04-26-2007 1:31 PM
    Reply to: Message 91 by crashfrog
    04-19-2007 1:51 PM


    Re: My top 20: 19 of 20
    If you read the front of the bible king james study bible read the first
    3 chapters and if you look in genisis you might be bless if you get
    faith enough saved.

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    Message 168 of 173 (397545)
    04-26-2007 2:14 PM
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    04-26-2007 1:31 PM


    Re: My top 20: 19 of 20
    Straight up question:

    Catman, do you speak English? Because the nature of your responses leads me to believe that you are simply cutting and pasting some text from someplace. You address neither the posts you are responding to, nor make points of your own.

    What's the deal?


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    Message 169 of 173 (397553)
    04-26-2007 2:40 PM
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    04-26-2007 2:14 PM


    Re: My top 20: 19 of 20
    Edit

    Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

    Edited by obvious Child, : No reason given.


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    Message 170 of 173 (397562)
    04-26-2007 3:21 PM
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    Message 171 of 173 (398404)
    04-30-2007 3:54 PM
    Reply to: Message 158 by anastasia
    04-25-2007 6:43 PM


    Re: My top 20: 13 of 20
    jj, have you noticed that the popular argument for ID is based upon how good the world currently is? How all things are so 'perfect' that there must be a Designer?
    Would you agree with these claims?

    Yes, this is a very sound and logical argument. The irreducible complexity in living things and the complexity of the food chain make an Intelligent Designer a logical conclusion. The human brain is vastly more complex than the world’s best supercomputers and yet no one assumes that a computer didn’t have a designer. The only problem I see with the Intelligent Design Movement is that they fail to specifically name the Designer.

    I haven't read the entire thread, but if you believe the world used to have a different and better system in place, which obviously isn't here now, why would you argue so much against the ToE?

    Does it matter how God changed things from the original creation, as long as you are sure that there WAS change?

    Yes God originally created the Earth “very good”. That “perfection” that you and I see that requires a Designer is still a reflection of that original “very good” creation. But you and I both know that the world we live in is far from perfect. That “change” that first started when Adam was disobedient to God (sinned) and God cursed the Earth because of Adam’s sin. I don’t disagree with mutations, natural selection and speciation. I disagree with molecules to man Darwinian Evolution. Darwinian Evolution contradicts the Bible and I accept the Word of God over the word of man.

    Yes, how the change happened and which direction the change is heading is very important. The changes we see in nature are a downward progression. This is consistent with God creating all plants, animals and humans “very good” and since degenerating as a result of the curse.


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    Message 172 of 173 (398407)
    04-30-2007 4:15 PM
    Reply to: Message 171 by jjsemsch
    04-30-2007 3:54 PM


    Re: My top 20: 13 of 20
    The irreducible complexity in living things

    I've yet to see something that actually is irreducibly complex. How about showing us one IC thing?

    the complexity of the food chain

    Make that "food web" and you'll have a better argument. There's hardly anything complex in a food chain, where energy moves in one direction--to the final consumer. Even in a food web all the energy moves in one direction--to the consumers. How is that movement of energy complex?


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    Message 173 of 173 (398536)
    05-01-2007 6:37 AM
    Reply to: Message 171 by jjsemsch
    04-30-2007 3:54 PM


    Re: My top 20: 13 of 20
    jjsemsch writes:

    The changes we see in nature are a downward progression. This is consistent with God creating all plants, animals and humans “very good” and since degenerating as a result of the curse.


    Downward is subjective. You've already said that poisons evolved after the fall. So, it looks like from the perspective of snakes and spiders, it's got a lot better!


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