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Larni

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Message 4 of 105 (398672)
05-02-2007 3:45 AM

Reply to: Message 1 by Rob
05-02-2007 2:23 AM

Seems to me you are try to say that there are unatural things in existance. If this is so, would you care to point them out? I can't think of one unatural thing.

As for evil:

Evil is what ever you call it. What is evil from your point of view is not from mine. I concider filling childrens heads with religious nonsense evil, I bet you don't.

Seeing as we can't agree on what evil is in the real concrete world we can conclude it exist only as a subjective point of reference.

As for faults or imbalances:

These are differences: nothing more, nothing less. We may find them acceptable or not according to our belieifs about reality.

Rob writes:

Under your own philosophy, we have no basis upon which to judge Mr. Cho (or president Bush)other than some illusory perception created by our society (which itself is also perfectly natural).

This is correct appart from the bit about illusory percpetion.

Rob writes:

There is no such thing as truth, and no such thing as a lie. You are Bush, and Bush is me, and I am a rock, and Hoot Mon is litterally an owl.

This is of course, bollocks.

Rob writes:

Razd, according to your own philosophy... conceit is perfectly natural. Yet... you imply fault or imbalance is contained therein.

Razd is correct, conciet is natural to human beings. Again however fault or imbalance is simply words used to desribe a sense of valance attatched to the character trait 'conceit'.

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Message 67 of 105 (398994)
05-03-2007 11:56 AM

Reply to: Message 35 by Rob
05-03-2007 12:47 AM

Re: Worldviews and Creation/Evolution

Rob writes:

If human beings are not evil by nature, then we do not need a savior.

Now we have a way to indicate your saviour exists! This is a heavey wager to place on yourself.

Now if you assert that we do not need a saviour if evil is not real it is encumbent on you to provide evidence of your assertion that evil is real.

However it could seem as if you entered this debate with dishonesty in mind as you seem to be not prepaired to alter your assertion of your saviours' existance (making evil real).

If there is evidence of evil being an objective thing (remember this is a science fora) then bring it to us.

Or (by your assertion) you saviour is unreal.

As RAZD would say:

Enjoy.

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Message 86 of 105 (399046)
05-03-2007 2:45 PM

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05-03-2007 1:22 PM

Re: Worldviews and Creation/Evolution

Rob writes:

If human beings are not evil by nature, then we do not need a savior.

Larni writes:

Now if you assert that we do not need a saviour if evil is not real it is encumbent on you to provide evidence of your assertion that evil is real.

Rob writes:

We need a savior. And it is not the government (other men).

So you refuse to answer and retreat from your original assertion?

Way to debate Rob.

Why don't you give some evidence instead of circular easoning?

Rob asserts that we need a saviour because if are evil.

Rob asserts we are evil.

Rob asserts we need a saviour.

Bullshit.

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Message 87 of 105 (399050)
05-03-2007 2:49 PM

Reply to: Message 76 by Rob
05-03-2007 1:50 PM

Re: What is evil?

Rob writes:

That would have been true had Christ not come. So your argument might have been better BC. The Jews had more faith than we in that sense. We have no excuse

Again your whole idea rests on the foundation of your religion. This is a science fora for fuck sake.

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Message 88 of 105 (399051)
05-03-2007 2:51 PM

Reply to: Message 82 by Rob
05-03-2007 2:31 PM

Re: What is evil?

Rob writes:

We also have a conscious (spirit),

Yet another pointless assertion.

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Message 103 of 105 (399131)
05-04-2007 3:56 AM

Reply to: Message 92 by Rob
05-03-2007 3:55 PM

Re: What is evil?

quote:
Rob writes:
If human beings are not evil by nature, then we do not need a savior.

Larni writes:
Now if you assert that we do not need a saviour if evil is not real it is encumbent on you to provide evidence of your assertion that evil is real.

Rob writes:
We need a savior. And it is not the government (other men).

So you refuse to answer and retreat from your original assertion?

Way to debate Rob.

Why don't you give some evidence instead of circular reasoning?

Rob asserts that we need a saviour because if are evil.

Rob asserts we are evil.

Rob asserts we need a saviour.

Bullshit.

Can you please address this post?

BTW: Why not ask admins to move this forum into Faith and Beleif?

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