Logic and Empiricism

Not neccessarily, but usually.If someone had faith in two mutually exclusive things, they could use reasoning to realize that they must be mistaken somewhere. Do you mean strictly objective evidence? I don't think evidence has the same meaning in both parts of your statement.I agree that faith is belief without objective evidence but I don't think reasoning is dependent on only objective evidense. You can reason through hypothetical situations n'such. I'm thinking philosophy here... Lacking objective evidence doesn't mean you can't reason about something.Also, people have reasons for their beliefs. Thier reasons are their evidence, it just that the evidence is not objective. So some might not consider it evidence at all. If that is the case, then reasoning is not dependent on "evidence" as in objective only evidence.

No, I guess you could. Technically, you could have faith in anything.I wasn't trying to say that you couldn't.It was counter to the claim: I was trying to come up with an example of how someone could use reasoning on faith, not make a claim about what people can have faith in. I prolly shouldn't have used the word "must".

You obviously don't know what faith is...

But if your reason for it being incorrect was wrong, wouldn't that suggest that it might not be incorrect?I think that it is correct. You have some things that are of faith, that when you apply reasoning/logic to them, you get a set of beliefs, or 'scripture'.I think that upthread jon was saying that 'scripture' means belief or that's what he meant, at least.Now, I agree that you don't need the logic, but that doesn't make the statement incorrect.Look at it this way:liquid + heat = gasYour argument is that heat is not required to go from liquid to gas (which is true because you could lower pressure) so the statement is incorrect. But you're wrong. The statement is correct, it just isn't the be-all end-all.Make sense?So can you admit that it is not incorrect now?You should know that faith and reasoning can go hand in hand, and that they don't have to exclude each other.