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Author Topic:   Logic and Empiricism
Nuggin
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Message 6 of 55 (398727)
05-02-2007 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
05-02-2007 3:21 AM


Oops
This you've made a mistake
faith + reasoning = scripture
Faith + writing = scripture. There is no room for "faith" and "reasoning" in the same equation, as faith is "belief without evidence" and reasoning is dependant on examining the evidence.
If you had proof of God, you would not need faith in God.

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Nuggin
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Message 11 of 55 (398769)
05-02-2007 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Zhimbo
05-02-2007 1:04 PM


Re: Oops
In faith, you assume your premises are true; in empiricism you test your premises. Either way, logical reasoning is possible.
I disagree.
Here's an example from empiricism
If X then Y.
X.
Therefore Y.
Wait, there is no Y.
Crap, someone go back and check "If X then Y."
Here's an example from faith
X. Y.
You don't need an "if then" statement. You simple accept all the variables as being equally true and unrefutable. Reasoning doesn't play a role.
Could you attempt to apply reasoning to it? Yes.
Could you attempt to apply paint to the wind? Yes.
In neither case you would be very successful.

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Nuggin
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Message 19 of 55 (398791)
05-02-2007 3:37 PM
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05-02-2007 3:33 PM


Re: Oops
I see what you are saying, but I think we've spun off of my oringal point with is that
"Faith + Logic = scripture" is incorrect.
Logic is not required at all for scripture

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