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Author Topic:   Logic and Empiricism
Zhimbo
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Message 10 of 55 (398749)
05-02-2007 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Nuggin
05-02-2007 11:25 AM


Re: Oops
quote:
"reasoning is dependant on examining the evidence."
Nope.
If X then Y.
X.
Therefore, Y. (Valid)
If X then Y.
Y.
Therefore, X. (Invalid)
I know the first syllogism is valid and the second is invalid through reasoning alone. No evidence required.
In faith, you assume your premises are true; in empiricism you test your premises. Either way, logical reasoning is possible.

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Zhimbo
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Message 13 of 55 (398775)
05-02-2007 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
05-02-2007 3:21 AM


quote:
Also, what do the non- Religious-ites on the board think of this”does it seem to accurately explain the Religious-ite rejection of logic as a means for arriving at conclusions?
Seems pretty dead on to me.
Well, what's the fun in simply agreeing, so let's quibble:
While "reality + logic = empiricism" seems fine to me, I wouldn't say that "scripture + logic = faith". It's the "=" sign; I do not think that logic is part of the definition of faith, although it's compatible with faith.
For that matter "scripture" isn't part of the definition of faith, either.
Still, as a 6-word, 4 symbol philosophical essay,
reality + logic = empiricism
scripture + logic = faith
is pretty good.

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Zhimbo
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Message 17 of 55 (398789)
05-02-2007 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Nuggin
05-02-2007 1:52 PM


Re: Oops
D'oh. Double post.
Edited by Zhimbo, : No reason given.

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Zhimbo
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Message 18 of 55 (398790)
05-02-2007 3:33 PM
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05-02-2007 1:52 PM


Re: Oops
quote:
Here's an example from faith
X. Y.
You don't need an "if then" statement
No, you don't *need* an "if then" statement. Nor is it forbidden.
Also, logical reasoning does not require evidence. Nor is it forbidden.
You didn't refute the examples I gave, you just gave different ones.
If you accept on faith that an immaterial human soul enters the egg upon fertilization, AND you accept on faith that destroying any physical home of a human soul is murder, it is perfectly logical to conclude that abortion is murder. That is valid *reasoning*.
Furthermore, none of those statements are empirical statements, so there's no way to empirically test the validity of this statement.

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