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kuresu Member (Idle past 2535 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
actually, fiction is a wonderful tool for examining society. looking at real life, things are too muddled to examine things and see how they work clearly. Fiction works because it's an exaggeration. why is Gulliver's Travels effective? Why 1984? Why Animal Farm? Why "Mister Smith Goes to Washington"?
fiction shouldn't be censored.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2535 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
trouble is, RR, that not everything offensive is obscene.
that test you mentioned is for obscenity. not offensiveness.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2535 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
isn't it extremely early for you to start saying just what caused Cho to shoot the students at VT?
fuck you, man. what an incredibly stupid example to use--the massacre just happened, you fuckwad. leave it out of your arguments right now. fucking hell.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2535 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
I don't want my kids to be isolated from the world. They can live in the world, but they shouldn't be part of it. contradiction. you don't want to isolate them, but by saying they shouldn't be a part of the world, they would be isolated.
Then out of the other side of your mouth, you say I should take away the TV from the kids.
the TV is not the only way to be in touch with the world. In fact, I hardly watch TV--only for mythbusters, MASH, and if something's good on the history or science channel. And even that's rare (actually watching any of those). Instead, I'm plugged into my computer.where's the hypocrisy you're smelling?
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2535 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
I don't think I have to pass a law, it's called harrassment. wrong. being intentionally rude and harrassing someone are two different things. so yes, you would be needing to pass a law.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2535 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
I just want better control over what I see, and what my kids see Giving that control to the FCC seems stupid then. Afterall, you want that power. Anyhow, fairly simple, no? You want better control? You've got a V-chip (i would hope). You've got a remote. You can limit what your kids watch without having to be there. Control over what you see is simple enough--change the channel if you don't like what's on. I mean jeez, how difficult is this?
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2535 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
V-chip does not always work.
do you have satellite or cable tv? if so, deselect those channels you find offensive. I should add. Air bags don't always work. Should we stop using them, then? Seat belts don't always work. Stop using them too? Poor argument, rat.
Tell me, would you do antything if you found out your neighbor was showing adult films to his 6 year old?
no. it's not my business. that said, if he was attemtping to show my child porn, I would prevent that. please note, I'm not a parent--only 19, but were I a parent, that would be my course of action. but I really don't see what this has to do with your issue--unless you want to control what other parent's kids watch. You just want to control what your kid's watch. Here's another solution--"no tv while we're not here".
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2535 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
quote: Hey rat, that quote is from me, not ravhin. can't find it anyhwere in his post that you reply to. However, that's definitely in my post which you never replied to. Just wanted to let people know.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2535 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
Of course you didn't say that, do you need to point that out? I try to condense my posts on occasion. then clarify the condensed parts. you know, like say:
kuresu wrote "X" don't leave people in the dark thinking you're an idiot. hint--i wrote that last quoted bit that rahvin is complaining about.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2535 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
200,000 violent acts? And this has no affect on the children? I'm assuming you mean aside from all the laughter whenever one of Wil E. Coyote's plans backfire? Can't say what effect it had on me aside from that. As in, what effect? Have I become more violent? I try to not fight. don't like to. warped my "fragile" mind? I mean come on, what level of violence are we talking here? Someone getting hit by running into a tree? Or someone getting their guts ripped out by Hannibal? Most of those kiddie shows have minor violent acts. Never mind, this is all pointless anyhow. go and censure the living hell out of your kids. Just don't mess with my tv.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2535 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
lol, rat.
And the same right that I have to take TV out of my house, gives me the right to voice my opinion. TV is public, so the public should have something to say about it. If you don't agree, then you are un-American. So now I'm not an american if I disagree with you? Lol. For your information, Tv shows are controlled by private companies, and those shows are broadcasted by private companies. Last I checked, Nickelodeon nor Disney nor DirecTv were public. Our schools are (well, the vast majority of the them). And here's a hint--the "public" at EvC is saying something about this, we just don't agree with your stance that the FCC should be able to strictly censure what is broadcasted. too funny rat, too funny. We disagree so now we're un-"american". Last I checked, my US passport is still valid. Guess that means I'm still an "american".
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2535 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
Research on whether watching violent programming actually causes aggressive behavior in children is inconclusive Then they say this:
These findings make clear, and the Commission today affirms, that exposure to violent programming can be harmful to children. Contradiction. If the studies are inconclusive, how can they be clear? Furthermore:
When it comes to protecting their children from such harm, parents are the first and last line of defense.
According to a recent Zogby poll, 88% of parents did not use a V-chip or a cable blocking device.
well gee, that's stupid, don't you think? You have a tool there--use it.
Only 8% of respondents in the Zogby poll could correctly identify the ratings categories.
Then maybe the parents, who are the first and last line of defense should learn what those ratings are and use the tools given to start with before we introduce restrictive legislation. I mean geez, this is common sense stuff. Of course the V-chip isn't working when so many damn parents aren't doing their "job". But wait, isn't it their "job" to "protect"? They're not doing that to begin with regardless the tools they have. Are these, then, negligent parents? Or are they just ignorant? If they're ignorant, teach them how to use the damn thing.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2535 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
one little nitpick, later I'll hit the rest:
Freedom of speech is supposed to be a positive thing, not a negative
Freedom of speech is actually a negative right. A positive right is like the right to health care. The difference? Positives gauruntee you something, while negatives protect something from being taken away. (Later I'll revise this, too. that's a pretty cruddy and vague definition).
Anyway, I think I, and the study has said enough. If the rest of you can't realize that it is a real problem, facing real Americans, and something needs to be done about it, then you guys are hypocrites. um, riight. A hypocrite is where you say one thing, and do another. Like "I will not lie" and then you proceed to lie. That's a hypocrite. We are not hypocrites if we don't see a problem and decide to do squat about a non-existant problem. Plus, we've even told you what you can do. You just don't like our suggestions (my guess is because they're too difficult [in your mind]).
Tell me, what is the difference between getting an abortion to control an unwanted pregnancy, and censoring the airwaves so that kids won't watch too much violent television? irrelevant. The topic is censorship, not abortion. You then follow with "unwanted" pregnancies. unwanted /= accidental.
But I have been told that is not going to happen so we should have abortion. . . .But we all know that this parental control is not going to happen, so what is the big deal about censorship? abortion /= censorship. If anything, making abortion illegal is censoring what the women chooses to do with her body. Making abortion legal repeals that "censorship". But really, abortion does not equal censorship. No hypocrisy here.
so what is the big deal about censorship? um, aside from being unconstitutional, censorship is just plain out wrong. When you censor things, you censor creativity, you limit it, you restrict it. You put a halt on advancement and progression. And since you have no problem with censorship, perhaps we should sensor the bible outright, no? (it's been on those lists before). Or do you just favor censorship when it works in your favor? Censorship is:
it is a great(piss poor)* short-term solution to a real problem It's hard to soar like an eagle when you are surrounded by turkeys. turkeys really can't fly that well. I would think an eagle would have no problem flying away unless mobbed by the turkeys. *no clue how to do that text scratch out. seen it before, just don't remember the code. should an admin happen upon this, can you do the scrath on "great" in the quote? thanks. Edited by kuresu, : No reason given.
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