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nator
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Message 26 of 84 (39924)
05-13-2003 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by mike the wiz
05-12-2003 9:05 PM


quote:
indeed is the iliad the best selling book in the world , no , why ,cos the bible is , and the millions who believe , the majority of people on earth are you offering them something better?
The majority of people in America believe in Astrology.
Does that make it real?
BTW, there are more non-Christian people in the world than Christian.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 43 of 84 (40554)
05-18-2003 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by mike the wiz
05-12-2003 8:50 PM


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'Do you have faith in unicorns? - mentioned many times in the Bible. Do you have faith in fairies? If not, then we can call you faithless, too.'
but can you say you have faith in Jesus Christ who died for our sins.
a fairy doesn't grant me everlasting life , nor a unicorn , indeed the difference between these are obvious to see, please come up with something better than that , next you'll be asking me to worship a rock. lol.
You are missing the point.
You point to various things in the bible to "prove" that your religion is true. In fact, you reject all of modern Biology because you take as historical and literal certain sections of the bible.
Then someone points out that unicorns are mentioned in the Bible, and asks you if you believe in unicorns because they are in the Bible.
You say that you don't believe in unicorns.
Now, can't you see that you are being inconsistent, taking literally and holding hard to the exact wording of some sections of the bible and then turning around and just throwing some things completely away, such as the existence of unicorns?
If you believe that Jesius died for your sins, then great, but if you are going to pick and choose from biblical accounts what really happened or existed depending upon your own personal whim, then I fail to see how using the bible to support your particular arguments is any more meaningful than what anybody else does in any other sect of Christianity or in any other religion.
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"Evolution is a 'theory', just like gravity. If you don't like it, go jump off a bridge."

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nator
Member (Idle past 2197 days)
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 47 of 84 (40597)
05-18-2003 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by mike the wiz
05-18-2003 11:10 AM


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but i have never heard unicorns mentioned in the bible , its a big book and honestly i just have not read it all.
Wow, you claim that everything in the Bible is true, yet you haven't even read it all yourself!
quote:
and his point was that i should have faith in unicorns not if i believe in them , in fact faith in God has purpose and is a gift from God that he is more important than an animal IS obvious and i dont recall the bible telling me to have faith in animals.whether unicorns exist or not.
Well then, if all you need to "have faith in" is God, and perhaps Jesus, then why do reject all of modern Biology in favor of a literal reading of a few lines of Genesis?
Why is your faith in God and Jesus dependent upon that?
Oh, and here is the unicorn stuff:
Psalms 22:21
Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
Psalms 29:6
He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.
Numbers 23:22
God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.
Deut 33:17
His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
Job 39:9
Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
Job 39:10
Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
this is probably a mistranslation in the JKV. They probably meant to translate the word to "oxen" or something similar. So, it's a mistake that makes the text kind of nonsensical
Isaiah 34:7
And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
The bible also talks about dragons and talking donkeys.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2197 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 48 of 84 (40600)
05-18-2003 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by mike the wiz
05-18-2003 11:22 AM


I am sure you are very nice.
I am actually very nice, too.
In a debating forum, however, our job is to debate with logic, facts, evidence, and well-reasoned, educated arguments.
I know that it can feel like being picked on to have your arguments and statements dissected and shown to be weak or in error, but it is very helpful exercise.
You should also know that none of this is personal at all. Notice that we don't call you dumb or silly. We critique your ideas and arguments, but this is not the same as critiquing you personally.
Think of it like lifting weights for your brain; it hurts a little bit to work out thoroughly, but you end up stronger and more agile if you keep doing it.
Now, why don't we continue our debating in the regular forums and get the Admin off our backs?
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nator
Member (Idle past 2197 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 83 of 84 (43032)
06-16-2003 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by DBlevins
06-16-2003 5:06 AM


quote:
Not to discount your point that the bible might mention unicorns in some of its translations but could the mention of the unicorns be an allegorical use of a mythical creature to make a point?
Well, exactly.
quote:
I didn't think that it mentioned an actual belief in the existence of unicorns. The bible is resplendent in allegory. Though that doesn't stop people from believing in mythical creatures.
You are exactly right. I like to use the unicorn example when people start saying that the flood really happened or that one of the Genesis accounts of creation is literally how things happened.
If they want to believe in 6 literal days and/or the flood, they have to believe in unicorns, too, if they are going to be consistent.
There is just as much evidence for unicors as there are for the Noachian flood, in other words, so they might as well believe in both.
Then they say something like, "But that's silly. Everybody knows that there's no such things as unicorns."
Then comes the moment when they start ignoring all further discussion about how they are not Biblical literalists anymore, but take parts as symbolic or allegorical, so why do they insist upon Genesis or the Flood to being literally true despite there being no evidence for such events as described in the Bible.

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