How can Biologists believe in the ToE?

Before I answer I need to know what your definition of the Theory of Evolution is.

What is Evolution?
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[Last Update: January 22, 1993]
Most non-scientists seem to be quite confused about precise definitions of biological evolution. Such confusion is due in large part to the inability of scientists to communicate effectively to the general public and also to confusion among scientists themselves about how to define such an important term. When discussing evolution it is important to distinguish between the existence of evolution and various theories about the mechanism of evolution. And when referring to the existence of evolution it is important to have a clear definition in mind. What exactly do biologists mean when they say that they have observed evolution or that humans and chimps have evolved from a common ancestor?When I talk about the Theory of Evolution I begin with nothing. If you start somewhere else we have a problem.If you start after life is found on the earth then you have to take everything before the point you begin by FAITH so then your ToE would be faith based not on fact. Other than the fact we are here so we must have evolved. Since we are here it had to happen as we believe it happened.Sorry I don't buy into that theory.I just needed to know what you are talking about because you left out the line that followed the statement you make reference to.

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2) Do you really think that the hundreds of thousands of scientists who have been advancing our understanding Biology over the last 150 years at the most astonishing pace have all just been deluded? Since several of the main occupations of scientists are critically examining theory and trying to falsify hypotheses, are you also accusing all of those Biologists of being so poor at doing science that they have, to a person, missed the fact that the overarching, foundational theory that underpins all Biology is completely false?
  —nator

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If I believe in evolution and so stated in the next sentence, why the above accusation.
I believe that things change over time.
It is a proven fact that formas over a period of at least 66 million years produced at least 330 different species of formas. But as of today they are still formas.
So I do not believe that it can be proven that any one kind can become another kind. In fact the formas proved it does not happen.
I believe that Biological Science has done many wonderful things in the past 150 years.
I believe that Computer Science has done many wonderful things in the past 25 years.
I believe that many of the other Sciences have made great advances.I know what I believe and why, you know what you believe and why. And they will never agree so lets leave it at that.

But they did exist. That being the case: I don't have a problem with either of them, you do. Since these sciences can only tell you they don't know you call it scientific uncertainty.
Can I have the same privilege because I can't show you God and just call it religious uncertainty. It does if life did not evolve from nothing. It would if God made a full grown man and woman, full grown animals, birds and fishes.

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Since the foram record extends through a major extinction event (some of the samples date back nearly 100 million years), it represents the first, grand template against which a flock of pet theories on the beginnings of evolution may now be effectively measured, he said.

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YesNo I plead guilty to ignorance of science.
If I wanted to remain that way I would not put up with the snide posts, uncalled for sarcasm, and downright bigotry on this forum.I truly appreciate RAZD he has been helpful and pointed out many things in a civil way.
But some are not here to learn or share knowledge just spout their particular beliefs and some in very arrogant ways.I still conclude:
I take God on faith.
Evolutionist take what you hope these sciences will prove at a future date on faith, what if they fail to ever give the answer and many have said they never will.
I will quote RAZD on this one: Edited by AdminAsgara, : fixed url

Who said anything about modern animals, birds, fish, or man? You want questions I got plenty.
1. Where did the infinitely small nothing than the universe came out of come from and why? "We don't know"
2. Where did life come from and why? "We don"t know"
I will take Razd's answer to these 2.
3. Did we have sharks 400 million years ago?
4. Did we have fish 72 feet long 150 million years ago?
5. Did we have an extinction event about 65 million years ago?
6. If so how much of life forms were left?
7. Is this where dinosaurs disappeared.?
8. How did all the elements that created our fossil fuels get together in the places they are in?
9. When did all these elements get together?
10. Back to life forms what were they after the extinction event?
11. When did the first hominids appear?
12. Did we have about 60 millions years to evolve from life forms left from extinction event?
13. If so how can that happen?
14. If a foraminiferan species made no changes in 500,000 years how fast did we speciate?
15. If in 66 million years the best foraminiferan could do was create 330 species, at that rate how could man appear from whatever it was left after the extinction event until we find modern man?
16. If we use the 500,000 years to get speciation then we would have 132 speciations, Is that correct?
17. If we use the fastest the foraminiferan ever speciated 200,000 years then we would have 330 speciation events, am I correct?
18. Would somebody explain how man could have evolved from whatever it was after the extinction event into modern man in only 66 million years? 330 speciations
19. How can I be expected to believe that this happened? Especially since the foraminiferan are still foraminiferan after 66 million years, and the sharks are still sharks after 400 million years. I thought this thread was caused by the above statement I made.20. If God ploofed all down fully grown how could there be common ancestry?That's a start but I got a lot more questions?

You already told me I was not qualified to define kind or anything else that would be involved in science.You said if I wanted to learn ask questions.I did ask a few.All of these questions pretain to why I don't see how anyone can believe in the ToE.

I will accept that for right now but will add it back for more explanation with one of my tougher questions.

Hi nator,
I did not forget about your question. I just did not have time to research it as You said I was not qualified to define kind. Careful with absolutes like there is no definion, if you meant definition.Funk & Wagnalls Standard Desk Dictionary (1975) I take that to mean that humans are a kind, dogs are a kind, cats are a kind, rats are a kind, birds are a kind, fish are a kind, monkeys are a kind, baboons are a kind, apes are a kind horses are a kind, cows are a kind, hogs are a kind, snakes are a kind, etc.Enjoy,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Thanks Modulous, I believe this and the following statement you made. My bold and underline.I believe that it is a theory but not the only theory.
I believe in the theory that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, as I have stated in other threads. As I understand it there has been much change that has taken place within kinds. This is a proven fact.It is not a proven fact that one kind became another kind.
It is not a proven fact where the universe came from.
It is not a proven fact where life came from.Therefore I conclude my theory is the correct theory.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

nator demanded a definition from me of kind, and then proceeded to tell me I was not qualified to give a definition.Therefore I had to look up and find one, which I did.I can't help it if you don't agree with it.Why would science have a definition for kind?

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Sounds like your grandson is a very smart child. Are you proposing that Great Dane's and Chihuahua's are not the same kind because they cannot interbreed.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

No I do not believe in the theory of evolution.Being brought up on a farm I believe in evolution. Example: I believe you can take some piney woods rooters (wild hogs) and using selective breeding and cross breeding and come up with some amazing hogs. You start out with small hogs around 150 lbs and can wind up with hogs that weight 600 to 900 lbs.(Largest known was a Poland-China hog named Big Bill, who weighed 2,552 lbs.)I believe that many changes have occured in animals, plants, fish, fowl, and humans. But these things happened it is not a theory.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Thanks for that great insite.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

You are welcome.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."