for the record (re: guns thread)

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Then it sounds to me like population density has more to do with violence than guns.

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It isn't one or the other. It is more complicated than that.And......as I have repeated innumerable times since the first time nearly 600 posts ago...I never said that guns were the cause of violence.

I think that's much less problematic now, so I don't see that as a major objection. If they're remote, then logistically, they have little to fear from military invasion. The point of invasion is to seize valuable targets, not worthless, remote ones.Really most of this "self-defense from Canada" argumentation is just paranoia. In the meantime, nearly 30,000 people a year are paying the price with their lives - involuntarily - to keep us defended from fictional invasions from Canada. Color me not impressed.I'm much more interested in the argument from personal self-defense. The Constitution can be changed at literally any time, it's a living document that should guide, but not dictate, our response to the contingencies of the present. Arguments about the original intent and purpose of the 2nd Amendment don't make much of an impression on me. It's undeniable that the proliferation of handguns has societal costs - no one seriously argues otherwise - but it's also undeniable that they have a utility in self-defense.Where's the inflection point, I wonder? Where the costs to everybody else justify putting you at risk by denying you a firearm? I don't expect Jon to have much of a cogent answer but it's an open question. For the next thread, I guess.

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We are not talking about the causes if violence, nor are we suggesting that guns cause violence.Violence occurs. It has many different causes. Population density is surely one of the factors.The issue at hand is - Why do we need weapons which can allow people to spray bullets willy nilly? Doesn't think increase the body count in cases of violence?

I didn't say it was one or the other, I said that it sounded like more of the problem was with people.I KNOW you don't think guns=violence. Forgive me for daring to interject?

Well Deputies...its time to ride off into the sunset with this thread.Thanks everyone for participating. Edited by AdminPhat, : phat becomes AdminPhat

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