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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5520 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
I have to agree. nj's remark is closer to how I feel about cursing Jerry Falwell:
quote: ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5520 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
nj, you wrote:
Falwell is going to stand before his Maker and give testimony to his Judge. More has been entrusted to the Falwell's of the world, which means more is expected of them. Lets go ahead and let God be God. He makes a better judge than we do.
If Rev. Falwell has any kind of afterlife consciousness, as he expected, he would have discovered by now that his Heaven is nothing more than a blob of deteriorating biomolecules inside an expensive box. ”HM
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
There were some quotes from other people commenting on Falwell's passing.
Newt Gingrich writes: Either Newt is being politically and correctly nice, or perhaps Falwell was a clever negotiator.
"His life is a testament not only to the power of faith to move hearts, but to the strength of the American ethos that stresses the importance of citizenship ... He was a great leader, a person totally sustained by his faith but able to work with many people from many different backgrounds without imposing rigidity on anyone else." _ Former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich. Rudy Giuliani writes: So at least everybody knew where he stood, eh?
"He was a man who set a direction. He was someone who was not afraid to speak his mind. We all have great respect for him ... he is a person who told you what he thought, and you knew where he stood." _ Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani. Jesse Jackson writes: "Over the years we became friends; sometimes we had polar opposite points of view. ... I have many fond memories of him. He leaves a great legacy of service and a great university behind. He's left his footprints in the sands of time." _ The Rev. Jesse Jackson. Notice how diplomatic politicians can be? Not one of these people have had openly spiteful anger for Falwell. The closest one was this one:
Matt Forman writes: "Unfortunately, we will always remember him as a founder and leader of America's anti-gay industry, someone who exacerbated the nation's appalling response to the onslaught of the AIDS epidemic, someone who demonized and vilified us for political gain and someone who used religion to divide rather than unite our nation." _ Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. Sen. John McCain writes: "Dr. Falwell was a man of distinguished accomplishment who devoted his life to serving his faith and country. Our thoughts and prayers are with Dr. Falwell's family at this difficult time." _ Republican presidential candidate and Sen. John McCain. Even Jesus said to pray for our enemies! Perhaps the most forthright quote and condolence came from Hustler Magazine publisher Larry Flynt:
Larry Flynt writes: "My mother always told me that no matter how much you dislike a person, when you meet them face to face you will find characteristics about them that you like. Jerry Falwell was a perfect example of that. I hated everything he stood for, but after meeting him in person, years after the trial, Jerry Falwell and I became good friends. ... I always appreciated his sincerity even though I knew what he was selling and he knew what I was selling." _ Hustler magazine founder Larry Flynt. Now for my comment: I never watched Jerry Falwell much on TV. I disagreed with his aggressive and hateful preaching style concerning homosexuals. I really didn't see him as being influential-- to me at least. I don't know why the religious right stirs up so much anger in this country. Of course they have beliefs and values that others disagree with....but I think that what angers people the most about them is the fact that they use religion to push a political agenda. Of course, Falwell would claim that his ideological opponents used humanism to push the competitive position. Edited by Phat, : fixed spelling Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Jerry Falwell was one leg of the Christian Tripod that helped create the Christian Cult of Ignorance. Jerry Falwell, along with Robertson and the behind the scenes whale, the Crouch Family Inc, did harm to everyone in the US and to millions around the world. The harm was and is continuing here, today, and Falwell, like everyone else, should be judged by what he did.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Because they have killed hundreds of thousands of people, constantly work to remove basic freedoms, and are pushing an agenda that is more dangerous to the US than any Islamic Terrorists.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4039 Joined: Member Rating: 8.1 |
I am by no means a Jerry Falwell fan by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, something has always struck me as odd about him. However, I've got to say that I'm appalled by how the responders to this post thus far are gleefully cheering his death. So I offer this admonishment: You probably shouldn't do it. Its not just tacky, but its also disrespectful and childish. Respect is earned, as is revulsion. Falwell was a vile, evil, bigotted moron who hid behind his religion to spout hate speech and idiotic rhetoric. The world is, in fact, a better place without him, and would have been better had he never been born. Falwell deserved no respect in life, and I'll be damned if I'll show him any now that he's worm food. I'll say the same when Phelps or Robertson die. They are black stains on humanity. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4039 Joined: Member Rating: 8.1 |
Wow! Strong words.... So let me make sure I'm accurate here. You say the man is "hateful," and yet you spew hate from your sewer and rejoice over his death. What makes you holier than thou in this case? So, not only are you a hatemongerer, but you're also a raging hypocrite for calling him one too. We revile Falwell for his hatred of others based on their sexual orientation, religion, or other basic trait. That doesn't make us hypocrites any more than hating Hitler for being a genocidal anti-semite does. Or, are you saying you [i]don't" hate Hitler, becasue that would make you a hypocrite? This man ruined many, many lives.
Falwell is going to stand before his Maker and give testimony to his Judge. More has been entrusted to the Falwell's of the world, which means more is expected of them. Lets go ahead and let God be God. He makes a better judge than we do. For Falwell, I truly wish there was some sort of punishment waiting. He's one of the few that make me understand why the concepts of judgement and Hell were invented. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
... now that he's worm food. He's finally making a worthwhile contribution. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Zhimbo Member (Idle past 6032 days) Posts: 571 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: |
Personally, the people who have a problem are those who AREN'T happy he's dead.
He was a poisonous blight on our society. I wish he had died sooner, for the sake of us all. Indeed, he's to blame, perhaps more than anyone, for putting this country on the road to ruin. I feel for the good people who miss him. I feel confused, that is. I don't know how a good person could miss him. I've said such things before, and I'm not going to change it now that he's dead. Other than to put it in the past tense.
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Zhimbo Member (Idle past 6032 days) Posts: 571 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: |
quote: I'm pretty sure that every discussion I've seen of Falwell today has Godwined in fewer than 2 dozen posts. Edited by Zhimbo, : No reason given. Edited by Zhimbo, : changed "less" to "fewer". My English teachers would be so proud.
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nator Member (Idle past 2190 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Or he won't, if his particular flavor of superstition doesn't turn out to be right.
quote: That assumes that there is a god, that there is an afterlife, that there is a Judgement, that the god that is judging will find Falwell as wanting as his fellow human beings have, etc. etc. etc... Too many assumptions for me, juggs. But anyway. Falwell was a archetypal repersentative of nearly everything despicable, small-minded, mean, hypocritical, power-hungry and divisive in this country. He was one of the originators and propagators of the malignant rise of religious ignorance, mindlessness, extremism and bigotry, too. He was the embodiment of so much that is wrong with America. He hurt this country deeply. I'm so very glad he is gone, just like I was so very glad when I got over my first urinary tract infection. He was a disease.
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Zhimbo Member (Idle past 6032 days) Posts: 571 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: |
He's finally making a worthwhile contribution. So, what good did Falwell do? The man defended Apartheid (both the U.S. and South African versions), spread wild-ass conspiracy theories to defame a president, impeded AIDS research, dumbed down his own religion, and founded an anti-intellectual university. Surely the man did something positive while still alive? Edited by Zhimbo, : (added phrase re: university)
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3944 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I think Goodwin's law could only truly be invoked if Falwell were to be accused of Hitler like behavior. As presented, I believe it is a valid analogy.
Moose ps. - Note the Hunter S. Thompson quote I've just added to my "signature". Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Nixon was a professional politician, and I despised everything he stood for ” but if he were running for president this year against the evil Bush-Cheney gang, I would happily vote for him." - Hunter S. Thompson "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Falwell is going to stand before his Maker and give testimony to his Judge. More has been entrusted to the Falwell's of the world, which means more is expected of them. Lets go ahead and let God be God. He makes a better judge than we do. Hey, that was awesome.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3944 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
God may indeed be judging Jerry, but if God does not relay information of his verdict back to the people of Earth, it is of no value to us - We will learn nothing from the verdict.
As I am not expecting to be hearing from God on this matter, we have no recourse but to make our own judgments. My judgment is that Jerry Falwell was a bad man. Moose
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