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crashfrog
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Message 31 of 33 (400701)
05-16-2007 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by RAZD
05-15-2007 9:35 PM


Deists believe that god is not necessarily knowable and that all we can really know is how the natural universe operates.
Based on what evidence do they conclude an unknowable God?
That is not a god that can be proven: it is not a scientific hypothesis, it is not intended to be one. It is based on faith not logic.
That the claim has to be taken on faith is sufficient to refute it for reasonable people. It's always reasonable to reject conclusions that are developed without any recourse to evidence. That which is made up is almost never true.
Just like a book made up out of random words is not likely to describe the accurate anatomy of the human body, conclusions based on making things up are so astronomically unlikely to be right that we can reasonably reject such endeavors wholesale.
Surely no reasonable person can dispute that making things up is not a path to truths.

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Message 32 of 33 (400713)
05-16-2007 11:20 AM


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aviator79
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Message 33 of 33 (400720)
05-16-2007 12:08 PM
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05-15-2007 8:47 PM


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There are many things where we have no evidence yet continue to "believe" that something is there: take dark matter (please).
Dark matter is an excellent example of a scientific theory in its infancy. I don't pretend to understand the theory in it entirety, but I know that it is a hypothesis which explains cosmological motions which are otherwise inconsistent with current theory. We cannot now directly detect this matter, but that doesn't mean that this theory is anything like religious belief. The OBSERVED motions of the cosmos coupled to our current understanding of gravitation suggests the existence of dark matter. There is no such suggestion of the existence of a god. Furthermore, astronomers and cosmologists are quite busy trying to find a way to detect dark matter if it indeed exists. If a superior alternative theory explains our observations better than dark matter, then dark matter will be discarded even by its current advocates.
This is much different than a belief in god. Those who beleive in god don't do so because their observations actually suggest that god exists. (I realize that theists will disagree, but their observations could be explained just as well by an infinite number of alternative theories to god.) Furthermore, theists are not working on ways to verify the existance of god, and every time science discredits a religious idea, theists must engage in logical gymnastics to try to maintain the inerrancy of their god(s). The original post is an example of this type of forced logic.
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