Jerry Falwell dead.

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Being angry at Falwell to the point of hatred does absolutely nothing to Falwell... So guess who it does effect? It effects the person who feels the hatred.

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The thing is, I don't hate Falwell.I feel the same way about him as I do about any destructive power-loving religious ideologue, such as Osama bin Laden or Pat Robertson.They are all the same. Pathetic.

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But for however much flaw I saw in Reverend Falwell, I would never wish him harm or say the awful things that some people have said about him.

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Were those "awful things" that people have said reasonable reactions to Falwell's words and actions?He spewed the most hurtful and outrageously bigoted things, and you think we should just ignore all that now that he's dead, and somehow not be happy that he will never be able to vomit up another stomachful of bile?Let me be clear.Falwell was just a high-income, not-crazy version of Fred Phelps, juggs, can't you see that?Again, this is just more evidence of you people tending to defend the members of your own team, no matter how horrible they are.

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You say that Falwell did more harm than good. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

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What good did he do?

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Heck, if I was a betting man and I slandered Saddam after he was executed, I'd be a wealthy man, because I have no doubt I would have been chastized for doing so.

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I think you'd lose that bet.

What are we saying about Falwell that is so "vile and meanspirited"?

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Falwell's passing is a tragedy.

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No. It makes the world a better place. That's the opposite of tragedy.Edited by Zhimbo, : No reason given.Edited by Zhimbo, : No reason given.Edited by Zhimbo, : No reason given.

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What good did he do?

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I asked that a long time ago in this thread. No one answered.I did think of one good thing to say about him (although it isn't an actual contribution to society): he wasn't, as far as I know, a hypocrite.ABE: I just watched Hitchens call Falwell a hypocrite on Jews and Israel, but I don't think I agree with his assessment.Edited by Zhimbo, : No reason given.

Yes.Remember the REST of what I said? Revulsion is earned, too. That's why we pretty much unanimously say "Hitler was a monster, a blight on the planet, and we only wish he had killed himself BEFORE going on his mad genocidal rampage."While Falwell didn;t directly kill anyone, he IS responsible in large part for a great deal of evil in this world, and the rhetoric he spouted was absolutely disgusting.This isn;t some random guy who died. He was evil, plain and simple. Even assuming that his motives were not based on greed as the earlier YouTube video suggested (I'm willing to go so far as to say he had positive goals in mind from his point of view), his opinion was that homosexuality brings about God's wrath and causes innocent people to die. He believed AIDS was a plague sent by God as a punishment for men having buttsex. He's responsible for dumbing down America, and for the "gay camps" where children are repressed sexually to the point of psychosis for their natural-born sexual orientation.I refuse to show such a monster any sort of compassion or respect, in life or death, for exactly the same reasons I feel the same about Hitler or Stalin or Mussolini or Fred Phelps.Falwell wasnt an asshole, Nem. I might be. But Falwell destroyed lives and sent our nation back decades in tolerance and understanding of gays and non-Christians. He was a cancer.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

Hi Scoff. Welcome to EvC.Yah, and not a bad reap, imo. He lived a full busy and productive life of serving others, educating the uneducated at a price they could afford, showing thousands the way of eternal life through the Christ, the legacy of many ministries of benevolence around the world, enjoying his family along the way and dying a ripe old age quietly in the office with his work shoes on. Before he died he had the peace of God and the promises of God that the shed blood of Jesus cleansed him from all sin as well as his family who supported and follow his legacy, that he will be rewarded for service rendered for God's kingdom and the promise of eternal life in a glorious heaven.

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The first statement does not prove the second. And you don't really mean the second. See? There's nothing mere about 'mere death' when the X-rays come in for you or someone you care for. It seems tragic enough.We are tribal creatures. We are touched by deaths of Our Kind. The deaths of Their Kind barely touch us at all.Of course, They feel the same way about Us. When we cry, they are more inclined to feel indifferent. They might even applaud. This is what makes them so evil.It's a human pattern, very deep-seated. We all say we want to overcome it. In practice this is hard to do.We would rather Their Kind tolerated Our Kind the way we tolerate ourselves, then end the exchange with that.A much easier way to go about things._____Edited by Archer Opterix, : html.

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Remind me where I said you should do that. Not hating someone doesn't mean worshipping them. Don't bifurcate points of view contrary to yours. You're absolutely right; they can say whatever they want. Free country, unlike what Falwell appeared to want. Doesn't mean it's classy. Maybe I did jump the gun, but a bash fest when somebody dies is kinda iffy. You're awefully quick to assume I lack life experience with people worth hating. That's fine; I know who I am and what I've dealt with. Well, that's an excellent point about what he's done. But torching him now won't mean a damn thing either way. You especially won't convince a 'Jerry's Fallwoller' that this man was full of it. Yes, I'm aware that you probably couldn't convince most of them with sound rhetoric, either.

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I'm bent, bruised, broken, and a little lost. But you know what? I'm not so afraid as you are, who has never ventured away from the trail.

It's really the Bible you hate, isn't it Rahvin? Imo for you and the other bashers, Falwell is the fall guy for your Christophobia and hatred of the Bible. Then your hatred extends on to the ole man who's simply defending the preacher man for doing his job.Surely you're familiar with the Biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah. The word "sodomy" (meaning homosexual lifestyle) comes from Sodom.) These people were so much into that deviant style that the men of the city came to Lot to get to the strangers (angels) which came to lead Lot's family out of the city before God destroyed the two cities by fire.Surely also you're aware that the penalty for a Jewish people under the Levitical law of Jehovah god for sodomy was death. In the New Testament the apostle Paul spoke negatively of the homosexual revolution prophesied for the latter days, men lying with men and women with women. In Romans 1:24-32 you can read about it where the Bible calls the practice "abomination" and calls it "against nature."So don't go at the preacher for doing what Biblical preachers are suppose to do. Any who do not aren't worth their salt as the saying goes.FALWELL WAS DOING GOOD IN THAT HE WAS WARNING OF THE KIND OF THINGS GOD DOES TO NATIONS WHO DEPART FROM TRUTH AND FROM THE PRINCIPLES THAT BRING BLESSING TO THE NATION. JUST LIKE ISRAEL BEFORE GOD ALLOWED JUDGEMENT TO COME ON THEM, AMERICA IS PERSECUTING THE PROPHETS/PREACHERS WHO WARNED THEM OF THE WRATH TO COME.

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Here you go again with your persecution complex. If anything, christians are in the majority in this country. People like Rahvin, schraf, and myself are in the tiny minority. Heck, even the democratic party is as homophobic as you are, Buz.But if you really really want to be persecuted, please sign yourself and your fellow prophets up to be eaten by lions. I'm sure us atheists who are a tiny minority can arrange such a show.

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Falwell died in his 70's a rich, comfortable, sucessful man, suddenly and without trauma. I see no reason to label his death a tragedy from any perspective.Why shouldn't I be happy that his hate-spewing and his promotion of authoritarian theocracy are finally over?

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He lived a full busy and productive life of serving others, educating the uneducated at a price they could afford, showing thousands the way of eternal life through the Christ, the legacy of many ministries of benevolence around the world, enjoying his family along the way and dying a ripe old age quietly in the office with his work shoes on. Before he died he had the peace of God and the promises of God that the shed blood of Jesus cleansed him from all sin as well as his family who supported and follow his legacy, that he will be rewarded for service rendered for God's kingdom and the promise of eternal life in a glorious heaven.

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Maybe I did jump the gun, but a bash fest when somebody dies is kinda iffy.

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We criticized him when he was alive, too. All the time.