Euthyprho's Dilemma Deflated

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The problem is that the idea of a single, absolute standard for morality doesn't even make sense. The whole notion of "right" and "wrong" is basically an emotional one, ultimately based on what people feel inspires praise or condemnation.

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"If moral judgments are merely expressions of emotion, they cannot be contradicted"-A Guide to EthicsThere is no way to resolve a moral disagreement if what makes an action morally right is one's emotion or attitude.A man who feels that murdering people is right yells "Murdering is right!"
Where as a man who believes murdering is wrong yells "Murdering is wrong!"There is no way to resolve this moral disagreement because according to you and the rest of the subjective emotivists there is no disagreement. Emotivists feel that morality is simply an expression of emotion.THIS IS ALL EMOTIVISTS CAN DO (please read):"The best reply the emotivist can offer is to suggest that the goal of moral argumentation is not what it appears to be; disputants seem to seek the truth, but what they really want is to cause others to share their attitudes, to disapprove of the same things. In other words, good argumentation is not about identifying the truth; a "good" argument is anything that aligns others' attitudes with our own. However, the process of influencing someone's attitudes can involve techniques that would be completely irrational and even immoral as judged by common sense. The most effective means might be persuasive but fallacious rhetoric or intimidation, conditioning, and brainwashing techniques, in which case emotivists must endorse these measures as good moral arguments."- A Guide to EthicsAbandon your inept belief. Thank you, morality is reason.

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No, only to those who think there is some "moral truth". Well, there is no moral truth to be sought. Some may not like it, but too bad -- that's the way reality is.

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Your opinion doesn't matter. Please support statements with reason.

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I should also add that so-called "objective moralists" themselves use motional arguments. Every moral argument I have ever seen, regardless of the stand taken by the arguer, eventually comes to trying to show that unpleasant consequences will arise if the other person's morality or lack of one is adopted. I have never seen even an "objective moralist" who did not eventually come to the "appeal to consequences", which itself is an argument based on manipulating the other person's emotions.

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Immanuel Kant. Reading him would probably be too much for a sad sap like you to muster, however.

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Good arguments are about determining whether the conclusion necessarily follows the premises. Good arguments are about choosing the premises that explain the world as well as one sees it. Whether or not there is some "truth" to be identified is itself a rather complex and profound epistemic question.

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This paragraph of jumbled words means absolutely nothing. Protagoras would be proud.If I am arguing from a premise I am trying to prove my premise, not to "see the world as well as I see it". Perfect information exists in regards to morality. Morality is knowledge, it is reason. Emotivism nullifies truth and trivializes morality. There is no right and wrong. There is simply expression of emotion. In this view no person derserves moral credit. A murderer is not immoral. A corrupt leader is not immoral. How do you pledge allegiance to a party for the protection of human "rights" when such a party's tenets are not right or wrong.You have perverted reality. If you only hold two things true know this: there is absolute truth and absolute morality.Kant said that the ulltimate expression of freedom is when the right action is freely willed through reasoning of what is right and wrong. Look up and understand the categorical imperative. All three forms.You have it in you to understand. You can do it.

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Morality is simply a religious concept and of not much use or value outside the small and limited viewpoint of a particular religious community.

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Morality has nothing to do with religion. Morality is derived through reason.

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Even Kant's Categorical Imperatives are laid out in relative terms. Kant suggested that an Imperative was some action or inaction that would be required. However, what action or inaction is required will depend on what the relative circumstance is in reality of that moment.

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While Kant's philosophy is useful for the trivialities of life, "If I am thirsty I must drink to satisfy my thirst", they fall apart when faced with anything more complex. As an example, when many are thirsty and there is insufficient fluids to meet even the minimal needs of the whole group.

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Kant can't. Get it?

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There is nothing relative about Kant. There is no circumstance underwhich one must forgo his/her duty. Relative circumstances is an odd phrase. There is adversity and tough moral dilemmas but by no means may one stray from the law. If an axe murderer comes to your house looking for your brother who is in your house you do not lie to him. You owe an axe murderer no truth because he is irrational and not a loved one. You can either say not a word and close the door or deceive him. Dimplomacy is not lying for if the axe murderer could reason he would simply ask more specific questions to come to the answer he is looking for. One may not forgo the maxim "thou shalt not lie" even if the consequences appear better. One would never want others to lie to oneself. And lying would prove more worse than deception because if your brother had ran to your neighbors and you said "he's at my neighbors" than you are morally culpable.

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As an example, when many are thirsty and there is insufficient fluids to meet even the minimal needs of the whole group.

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When existence is solely survival morality does not exist, this is true. But there are those amoong us that would rather suffer great harm and even death than to forgo their duty.

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Right and wrong, not morality are the things of importance.

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Right and wrong is morality.

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Reason is key. But unfortunately, reason is also limited to available knowledge and that, is relative.

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Wrong, there is perfect knowledge.

Wrong.No one is ever justified in taking another's life. Thou shalt not kill.War is always immoral. Fascists by their nature are immoral and there is little option other than to beat them down. They are irrational and bring life to a state of survival where morality ceases to exist.
Irrational beings deserve moral credence even though rationality forgoes sentience. Survival is the point form this paragraphWoody Allen took a line from Aristotle by saying the only thing you can do to fascists is beat them over the head.Aristotle said the same about relativists...Edited by -messenjah of one, : typoEdited by -messenjah of one, : dramatic change to paragraphEdited by -messenjah of one, : typo

There is a pinnacle of human reasoning and I have reached it. I cannot say the same for yourself. Obviously, if you don't believe the state exists you must not have reached it. You're probably not too far away.

It would be impossible to present all of human knowledge within a few sentences. I would not know what you are missing either. I am not sure why you don't believe perfect information exists. It is the only thing to keep a genius optimistic. "Such a thing" cannot be presented here and it can't even be argued sufficiently.Edited by -messenjah of one, : typo

No, I told you.It is not okay to kill.Morality does not exist when people are reduced to a state of survival.This is not a condition.

Evidence of perfect information is derived from reason. I cannot help you.

You cannot give a situation or moral dilemma where perfect information does not exist

I fail to see where there is imperfect knowledge?

...Calling you a "sad sap" was a light-hearted joke, but you deserve an apology.Other than that there is nothing to address from your post.

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Wrong guys.Morality doesn't exist when reduced to survival. This is not a condition. Morality is absolute. When reduced to survival one must act as an animal.

"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars."
-Oscar Wilde