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Buzsaw
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Message 35 of 224 (400673)
05-16-2007 1:51 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Hyroglyphx
05-15-2007 7:31 PM


Re: A caveat
NJ writes:
So let me make sure I'm accurate here. You say the man is "hateful," and yet you spew hate from your sewer and rejoice over his death. What makes you holier than thou in this case?
So, not only are you a hatemongerer, but you're also a raging hypocrite for calling him one too.
Right on good bud. I'm very thankful that you're back, btw and glad to be back with you contending for truth.
Now I know how the hatemonger Christophobic types here will be rejoicing when I pass on if I go before them. Falwell was two years older than I, a dear brother in Christ whom I respected but with whom I had quite a few theological differences. I say these hatemongers will rejoice over my passing because I pretty much agree with most of what they hate Falwell for, being of the religious right.
I, like Falwell, have some gay friends and treat them well but am fully aware that the Bible says their lifestyle is a sinful lifestyle. Over the years via my business I have had a number of gay friends who I had dealings with which helped them and me as well. One significant incident comes to mind. I wrote a letter to the editor a number of years ago in which I reminded all who claim they believed the Bible that in so doing they need to understand that the Bible denounced both adultery and homosexuality. Well there were a pair of gays who had done quite extensive business with me over the years and we had a friendly business relationship. After I submitted the letter which was published, I had a visit from one of the pair. I was all alone, my wife being out for the evening. He was acting quite strangely and making some remarks which gave me the impression that he may have been there to take my life. I reminded him that my remarks were Biblical and that they were across the board addressing both heterosexuals and homosexuals. This seemed to put him at ease and before he left he said he loved me. I believe he was sincere and that he didn't mean it in a sexual manner. Our business relationship never suffered from it and they moved out of state later on.
Falwell never hurt a gay person nor have I. He convinced some gays that their lifestyle was indeed not Biblical as was his duty as a preacher of the Bible and they became his friends and brothers in Christ as well. Preaching what the Bible teaches regarding their lifestyle is not hate. That is his duty as a Biblical pastor.
The hateful things said by the hatemongers here are baseless. Falwell was no threat to anyone. He was a citizen under the Constitution and the laws of the land which he operated under all the way promoting his harmless agendas under the auspices of those laws and the Constitution. The nation is better, not worse for the work of this good man.
I challenge all these hateful people to document one way in which the nation is worse off because of the work of this man.
How many of the scores of thousands of folks he ministered to both via the church and university think they are worse off because of his work? Maybe a few dozen? How many of these would have ended up as suicide victims, drunkards, dope addicts, dead et al, et al had they not been affected by the Biblical principles this man instilled into them? Only God knows.
How many folks in poor nations overseas who were helped benevolently by this man's work think they are worse off from having received food, clothes, education, et al? How many single mothers who kept their children, helped financially, spiritually, et al along by the Falwell ministries think they were worse off by this man's work? Likely none or few.
Yah, like us all, he had some faults, but I'm not ashamed to be likened unto him in life or in death no matter how gleeful these haters express themselves when I pass on.
It's logical to assume that the hateful folks here who hate Falwell loving his death also hate the scores of thousands of good law abiding, tax paying American citizens who espouse and support what he espoused while he lived and will rejoice at their death also.
It all goes to show that what they really hate is the Biblical principles he preached and the Biblical principles all Biblically fundamental people espouse. This hateful generation is prophesied several places in the Biblical prophecies. These same folks would have likely danced when Jesus was dying on the cross along with the hypocritical self righteous Pharasees, for it was Jesus and his gospel which Falwell preached as well as the principles Jesus and his apostles taught.
Proverbs 29:10: "The bloodthirsty hate him that is perfect (good). As for the upright, they seek his life." ASV
Psalms 34:21b, 22 "And they that hate the righteous shall be condemned. Jehovah redeemeth the soul of his servants." ASV
Psalms 37:12, 13 "The wicked plotteth agianst the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. The Lord will laugh at him; For he seeth that his day is coming."
Psalms 37:32 "The wicked watch the righteous And seeketh to slay him." ASV (i.e. rejoices at his death)
Psalms 116:15 "Precious in the sight of Jehovah is the death of his saints."
As you say, NJ, the real hate is by folks hateful enough to dance in the streets over another person's death.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 36 of 224 (400674)
05-16-2007 2:01 AM


Falwell Loved Blacks
For the record Falwell's University and church has many black brothers and sisters in them whom he respected and loved as brothers and sisters in Christ. He has also had blacks in his pulpit, including Alan Keys.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 43 of 224 (400691)
05-16-2007 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Rahvin
05-16-2007 2:45 AM


Re: A caveat
Rahvin writes:
Falwell set this country back years in terms of acceptance and equality for women homosexuals, and non-Christians.
Secularists have advocated non-equality in school science for Christians. (Abe: Where they were able to practice Christianity openly in school and some public arenas et al for centuries, they have lost those freedoms.) The whole nation, including non-Christians are blessed when Biblical principles which the founding fathers espoused are promoted in the nation. Until the recent homosexual revolution and until the recent women's lib movement, the most blessed nation on earth faired quite well under the things Falwell espoused before he died. He did not die a racist, btw, nor did he advocate anything detrimental to the nation's women. He was for life of helpless babies who had no voice to defend themselves. Unlike many secularists he was willing to change when change needed to happen.
Segregation and slavery was a world phenomenon for all of world history. All slavery and segregation that's left in the world is happening in non-Chrisian cultures and nations.
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Rahvin writes:
That's right, September 11th was the fault of the gays! And the Feminists, and the ACLU, and anyone else who believes in religious freedom instead of Christian Theocracy.
It's Biblicalists who are loosing religious freedoms. Btw, you need to cite how the nation is worse off by the Biblical stuff Falwell preaches regarding women and gays. It appears that things are getting worse in the nation with more devastating catastrophes et al. There are numerous Biblical texts that verify Falwell's contention that devious lifestyles and pagan practices bring on judgement by God and are not condusive to national blessing. The Bible is full of texts on this.
Sodom and Gomorrah are one example of God's judgement on sodomy. Btw, it is Biblical that the leadership role of the man is the natural and good thing for cultures, so don't blame the preacher. Blame God and the Bible if you have a problem with that.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 48 of 224 (400702)
05-16-2007 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by berberry
05-15-2007 11:18 PM


Re: A caveat
hateberry writes:
No, I'm not trying to justify a goddammned thing! I'm giving a dead man the respect and honor he deserves.
But God damns the things you justify and things that Falwell alleges as damnable by God so you are indeed justifying the goddammed thing.
Speaking of God, here's another morsel of wisdom from his book written by wise King Solomon:
Proverbs 29:27 "An unjust man is an abomination by the righteous; And he that is upright in the way is an abomination to the wicked."
HATERS OF GOOD PEOPLE ATTEST TO THE WISDOM, ACCURACY AND PROPHECY OF THE BIBLE AS THE CITED VERSES DOCUMENT. THE HATE WE READ HERE IS EXACTLY HOW THE GOOD BOOK SAYS IT WILL BE AND WHAT GOOD PEOPLE SHOULD EXPECT JUST AS IT WAS WITH HATRED TOWARD JESUS AND HIS APOSTLES. EAT YOUR HEARTS OUT YE HATERS OF THE GOOD AND THE GODLY. IN THE JUDGEMENT JEHOVAH GOD HAS HIS JUST REWARD FOR ALL!

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 64 of 224 (400760)
05-16-2007 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Dan Carroll
05-16-2007 10:49 AM


Re: A caveat
Dan C writes:
Yes, when one looks upon the life and mind of Jerry Falwell, one can really only reach one inescapable conclusion: Christians have it so rough.
Wow, I can't even type that without throwing up in my mouth a little.
You think Falwell the cancelor and founder of a large university and pastor of a large church earned more than the average chancelor/large church pastor? I doubt you even know his salary. I went through 9 pages of google on Falwell hate sites in search of his salary and found nothing. Likly the ones who know don't want it out that he's not gouging as are CEOs of business et al. It would spoil their hate Falwell agenda.
Anybody know Falwell's salary for the record?

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Buzsaw
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Message 98 of 224 (400829)
05-16-2007 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by scoff
05-16-2007 2:46 PM


Re: Reaping What He Sowed
Scoff writes:
He is reaping what he sowed.
Hi Scoff. Welcome to EvC.
Yah, and not a bad reap, imo. He lived a full busy and productive life of serving others, educating the uneducated at a price they could afford, showing thousands the way of eternal life through the Christ, the legacy of many ministries of benevolence around the world, enjoying his family along the way and dying a ripe old age quietly in the office with his work shoes on. Before he died he had the peace of God and the promises of God that the shed blood of Jesus cleansed him from all sin as well as his family who supported and follow his legacy, that he will be rewarded for service rendered for God's kingdom and the promise of eternal life in a glorious heaven.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 101 of 224 (400835)
05-16-2007 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Rahvin
05-16-2007 9:03 PM


Re: A caveat
Rahvin writes:
his opinion was that homosexuality brings about God's wrath and causes innocent people to die.
It's really the Bible you hate, isn't it Rahvin? Imo for you and the other bashers, Falwell is the fall guy for your Christophobia and hatred of the Bible. Then your hatred extends on to the ole man who's simply defending the preacher man for doing his job.
Surely you're familiar with the Biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah. The word "sodomy" (meaning homosexual lifestyle) comes from Sodom.) These people were so much into that deviant style that the men of the city came to Lot to get to the strangers (angels) which came to lead Lot's family out of the city before God destroyed the two cities by fire.
Surely also you're aware that the penalty for a Jewish people under the Levitical law of Jehovah god for sodomy was death. In the New Testament the apostle Paul spoke negatively of the homosexual revolution prophesied for the latter days, men lying with men and women with women. In Romans 1:24-32 you can read about it where the Bible calls the practice "abomination" and calls it "against nature."
So don't go at the preacher for doing what Biblical preachers are suppose to do. Any who do not aren't worth their salt as the saying goes.
FALWELL WAS DOING GOOD IN THAT HE WAS WARNING OF THE KIND OF THINGS GOD DOES TO NATIONS WHO DEPART FROM TRUTH AND FROM THE PRINCIPLES THAT BRING BLESSING TO THE NATION. JUST LIKE ISRAEL BEFORE GOD ALLOWED JUDGEMENT TO COME ON THEM, AMERICA IS PERSECUTING THE PROPHETS/PREACHERS WHO WARNED THEM OF THE WRATH TO COME.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 106 of 224 (400840)
05-16-2007 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Zhimbo
05-16-2007 9:02 PM


Re: Your question was answered.
Re: Nonsense, Falwell was simply evil
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quote:
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What good did he do?
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Zhimbo writes:
I asked that a long time ago in this thread. No one answered.
You don't read well, do you? Go back and read my stuff. I listed a number of good things he did to help the poor, help single moms who wanted to keep their babies, education, providing good citizens and trained workers for all types of work and professions, keeping folks from going bad, living good productive lives, et al et al et al.
If citizens don't like his politics they can work in the system fair and square like he did to support their own political liking. No single organization is more powerful than the ACLU who opposes about all Falwell, Dobson and others support. He's not forcing anything on anyone no more than the Rev Jessie Jackson and other leftists who are every bit as political as Falwell.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 110 of 224 (400844)
05-16-2007 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by nator
05-16-2007 9:58 PM


Re: Reaping What He Sowed
Nator, liking the Christian gospel preacher to a genocide murderer of millions is simply nonsensical and sick on your part and the part of others who've done so in this thread. It's as obsurd and meanspirited as Christophobia can get. You and some other bashers spewing your hate need Biblical love medicine bad to get over your chronic case.
At least Larry Flint and Jessie Jackson gave the man due credit for being kind and gentlemanly. You all should take some lessons from these men on this count. This all reminds me of the account of the crucifixion where the whole Pharasaic hypocritial crowd was shouting frenzied demands for the crucifixion of an innocent man, calling for the release of the murder Barabas all the while.

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Buzsaw
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Message 124 of 224 (400891)
05-17-2007 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by nator
05-16-2007 10:13 PM


Re: Your question was answered.
schraf writes:
Buzsaw, you have been told many times, over the course of several years that the ACLU defended Falwell in a religious rights case, despite his heaping disdain upon the organization for years and years.
You don't comprehend well either, madear. Note that word, "about." I'm sure you've been told many times that "about" doesn't mean "everything".

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 125 of 224 (400892)
05-17-2007 9:09 AM


Falwell Biographer/Friend A Homosexual
Eat your hearts out ye hate filled Falwell bashers. I know this will be unwelcome news flash to your Christophobic bash fest here but guess who is doing Falwell's biography with the blessings of Jerry? Mel White, frequent guest, friend and biographer of the Falwells is the biographer. Mel says though he and Jerry have ideological differences, Jerry is an amiable and friendly guy. I heard this on FLM Christian radio, Bath, NY last night.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 126 of 224 (400893)
05-17-2007 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Dr Adequate
05-16-2007 11:58 PM


Re: Those Good Old Days
DA, the frequency of severe disasters, especially destructive tornadoes, floods and fires is far greater than ever in the past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 127 of 224 (400895)
05-17-2007 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by berberry
05-16-2007 11:13 PM


Re: A caveat
We're having destructive disasters at home and loosing personel in overseas wars. We're beginning to loose God's blessings partly due to the kind of Bibliophobia and apostacy from truth we see right here in this thread as the present generation prevails. As the nation's majority thumbs their noses at God so the hedge of protection departs and destruction comes via disaster and foreign invaders who are the trojan horse types setting us up for internal turmoil and oppression.
Abe: For the record I've noted these prophecies to substantiate Falwell's contention that God's wrath is aroused by anti-God and anti Biblical behavior of nations and cultures as per topic.
Edited by Buzsaw, : Edited to explain why mention of prophecies relative to Falwell topic.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 151 of 224 (401028)
05-17-2007 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Rahvin
05-17-2007 8:47 PM


Re: A reply to nemesis's "caveat"
Rahvin writes:
Am I anti-Christian? Only the segment of Christians who hold such horrific ideals. I'd be against anyone of any religion who thinks the same.
So you're anti Jehovah god, anti Jesus, anti Paul, apostle of Jesus who were all anti-gay being the ones who denounced homosexuality and advocated the male leadership role so as to influence Falwell to preach what these advocated concerning gays and womens lib? (I include Jesus since he always conformed to the will of his Father, Jehovah god.) I could include, of course include nearly all cultures since the recording of history.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 172 of 224 (401401)
05-19-2007 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by PaulK
05-18-2007 1:56 AM


Re: A reply to nemesis's "caveat"
1. Jesus is the son of the god who denounced devient lifestyles. He does the will of the father and the father is the one who sent the son to usher in the new dispensation of grace where the letter of the law was replaced by the spirit of the law via the Holy Spirit.
2. Nearly all the translators, i.e. the professional scholars are with me on the name of God. You are the rebelling dissenter on this name business. It's another topic and shouldn't even have been brought up here.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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