Jerry Falwell dead.

There is a very, very short list of people I'd say this regarding: May he rot, and good riddance.Now, if only Phelps would keel over...I know he's got his whole family/cult around him, but I'd bet he's the only one with enough crazy-juice to keep the whole thing going.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

Respect is earned, as is revulsion. Falwell was a vile, evil, bigotted moron who hid behind his religion to spout hate speech and idiotic rhetoric. The world is, in fact, a better place without him, and would have been better had he never been born.Falwell deserved no respect in life, and I'll be damned if I'll show him any now that he's worm food.I'll say the same when Phelps or Robertson die. They are black stains on humanity.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

We revile Falwell for his hatred of others based on their sexual orientation, religion, or other basic trait. That doesn't make us hypocrites any more than hating Hitler for being a genocidal anti-semite does. Or, are you saying you [i]don't" hate Hitler, becasue that would make you a hypocrite?This man ruined many, many lives. For Falwell, I truly wish there was some sort of punishment waiting. He's one of the few that make me understand why the concepts of judgement and Hell were invented.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

If Phelps dies of some natural disaster while he's there, I will renounce Atheism and believe that there is a true and just God.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

Falwell set this country back years in terms of acceptance and equality for women homosexuals, and non-Christians.

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"[Vice President Gore] recently praised the lesbian actress who plays 'Ellen' on ABC Television...I believe he may even put children, young people, and adults in danger by his public endorsement of deviant homosexual behavior...Our elected leaders are attempting to glorify and legitimize perversion." People for the American Way, "Hostile Climate", 1998, p.9.

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"Someone must not be afriad to say, 'moral perversion is wrong.' If we do not act now, homosexuals will 'own' America!...If you and I do not speak up now, this homosexual steamroller will leterally crush all decent men, women, and children who get in its way...and our nation will pay a terrible price!" - People for the American Way, "Hostile Climate," 1997, p.15.

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And, perhaps worst:

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"I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped [9/11] happen.'"

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- Jerry Falwell, September 13, 2001, on The 700 Club

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That's right, September 11th was the fault of the gays! And the Feminists, and the ACLU, and anyone else who believes in religious freedom instead of Christian Theocracy.Using the Bible to defend bigotry against homosexuals is identical to hiding behind Mein Kampf. "I'm not saying it, look, it's written here in this book!!!" I don't care if Falwell's homophobia stemmed from his religious views or anything else: telling someone their natural, sexual orientation is wrong and evil is, in fact, wrong and evil. The source of the sentiment is irrelevant.Telling someone that a basic part of themselves is evil messes them up in the head, and promotes violence agaisnt that group by likeminded individuals. The sexual suppression that goes on in various "gay camps" where homosexuals are "converted" to being straight is severely damaging psychologically. Parents who force their children to attend such camps occasionally drive their children to cut themselves off from the family entirely, or even commit suicide.This is identical to telling a black person that they are evil becasue of their skin. We've seen how that can be harmful, I believe.And Buzz, had I been alive, I would have danced in the streets when Hitler died. I would have danced in the streets when Mussolini's corpse was dragged around. Despite my opposition to the Iraq war, I was quite pleased when Saddam and his sons were killed.I'm happy any time a true monster is removed from this Earth so that I don't have to breathe the same air as someone so wholly despicable. Falwell wasn't quite on the level of Hitler, but he was climbing the same disgusting ladder.Quote your old book at us all you want, Buzz. Falwells message was disgusting, whether you believe it's supported by the Bible or not. We all know the Bible is filled with abhorrent acts of genocide, rape, and child murder on the orders of God anyway. It's unsurprising a literal reading of the book would support such garbage.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

We were doing pretty damned well before Bush and the fundies came into power again, actually. You know...budget surplusses, a booming economy, people being accepted rather than being reviled... Only if "religious freedom" is translated to mean "the ability to force Christianty to non-Christians," then yes, they've lost that. I view it as a gain, personally. State-sponsored religion has never ended well for those who don't follow the state's religion. So, there it is. You actually believe that God punishes the country for allowing homosexuals to exist. Hurricane Katrina, September 11th, and any other number of tragedies and disasters are directly because we don't all follow the same homophobic fairy tale you do. Buttsex causes natural disasters. Lesbians cause terrorism.Next you'll say IEDs in Iraq are God's punishment, as well, and start thanking God for His Holy Vengeance. God will kill all of the rectally fornicating heathens! God hates fags! God hates America!You are exactly the same sort of monster that Falwell was and Phelps is. You disgust me just as much as those other bigots.I won't suggest that you be silent, because I believe in free speech and freedom of religion. But I will never reply to another post of yours. You disgust me, and are not worth my time.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

Only in that you're operating from the foolish assumption that there were exactly two humans, one male and one female, created on the spot. That's what your religion says, but it's not the way reality works.You realize homosexuality exists in nature, right?If a few of our evolutionary ancestors, even if they were among the first to be called modern humans, were homosexual, it wouldn't have done anything other than remove those two from the gene pool (assuming they werent bisexual and did not have heterosexual sex at all). A minority of individuals among an entire population of simultaneously evolving proto-humans is a statistical blip, not "zomg, we wouldn't exist!!1!"It's irrelevant anyway. It IS wrong, immoral, and disgusting to call someones natural sexual orientation evil, just as it is wrong to discriminate of people based on their race or gender.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

Perhaps this will help ICANT:Imagine if, everywhere you went, 90% of the people you meet honestly beleive that you are doomed to an eternal burning torturous Hell for not being of their religion.Now imagine that many of these people like to bother you, often, and TELL you that, unless you believe in Xenu the Space Emperor, you WILL spend an eternity of suffering when you die, regardless of whether you're a good person or not.It;s nearly impossible for a hardline fundamentalist Christian to have even the slightest understanding of this principle, but there is no greater terrorism than "Join us or burn for eternity!" The US particularly is so filled with Christian rhetoric from every street corner that it's impossible to live without the faithful encroaching on our lives.You would call it "missionary work" or "ministry." I call it "being threatened by an idiot."

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

Yes.Remember the REST of what I said? Revulsion is earned, too. That's why we pretty much unanimously say "Hitler was a monster, a blight on the planet, and we only wish he had killed himself BEFORE going on his mad genocidal rampage."While Falwell didn;t directly kill anyone, he IS responsible in large part for a great deal of evil in this world, and the rhetoric he spouted was absolutely disgusting.This isn;t some random guy who died. He was evil, plain and simple. Even assuming that his motives were not based on greed as the earlier YouTube video suggested (I'm willing to go so far as to say he had positive goals in mind from his point of view), his opinion was that homosexuality brings about God's wrath and causes innocent people to die. He believed AIDS was a plague sent by God as a punishment for men having buttsex. He's responsible for dumbing down America, and for the "gay camps" where children are repressed sexually to the point of psychosis for their natural-born sexual orientation.I refuse to show such a monster any sort of compassion or respect, in life or death, for exactly the same reasons I feel the same about Hitler or Stalin or Mussolini or Fred Phelps.Falwell wasnt an asshole, Nem. I might be. But Falwell destroyed lives and sent our nation back decades in tolerance and understanding of gays and non-Christians. He was a cancer.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

No no, Falwell and the others all have a right to say what they want.But we have the right to say "they were despicable, and I'm glad they;re dead."Saying that is a lot different from saying "you shouldn't be allowed to say that."Just like what I said to Buz. He can continue to spew his filth, and I'll just call it filth and not respond to him any more. I'll say the same regarding anyone who says someone's gender/race/religion/sexual orientation was the cause of a natural fucking disaster.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

I did.And here's why: The logical next step, after saying "unrepentant homosexuals bring about the wrath of God on our country," is to remove them from the country for its own safety. Kinda like what Hitler did to them, along with Jews. Hitler was a few steps further down, but they were walking the same repulsive road.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

Are you incapable of extrapolating the next step in a train of thought? It's not a far jump from "they're evil and bring the wrath of God killing thousands of innocent people" to "we'd better get rid of them so God doesn't stay pissed off."

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AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.
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AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah's chariotters.
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Yeah, he basically DID call for the death of homosexuals. He said we should just let them all die of AIDS, since AIDS was God's punishment for the buttsex.But you also seem incapable of reading and comprehending an entire post, ICANT. I didn't say Falwell was as far down the road as Hitler. I said they were walking the same path, and Hitler was a step or two further down. Yes, he did. Which is insane. It's like telling me to repent for being attracted to women. Or like telling a black man to repent for the color of his skin. Sexual orientation is not a choice. Anyone who thinks so is either ignorant, an idiot, or an outright lying bigot.Fundies go all nuts about how everything is part of God's plan - unless you're born gay. Then, somehow, despite the fact that according to the religion God would have had to MAKE them that way, somehow it's still a choice, and God doesn't want them to be the way He made them.Yeah. That makes sense.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

Now, now. I'm sure he'd have called them his friends if they had paid HIM enough, as well.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

Perhaps a clarification: I'm not saying Falwell was a genocidal mass-murderer. Clearly, he was not.I'm just saying he believed a certain group of people to be evil, simply for being who and what they are. Just like Hitler hated gays and jews and anyone else who didn;t fit his demented German-superiority complex. I think that anyone who hates a group of people for the way they were born (becasue sexual orientation is NOT a choice or a lifestyle) is a monster in the same way. This includes Falwell, Robertson, the KKK, neo-nazis, the so-called "moral majority," half of the Republican party, a significant portion of fundamentalist Christians...well, I'm sure I could find ways to go on, but I think my point is clear.This sort of intolerance is the same as that which led Hitler to eventually begin his "Final Solution." And when a religious leader starts saying "group X is responsible for bringing God's wrath on us!" he encourages violence and intolerance against that group. And the next step in that line of thinking is, in fact, another Final Solution.Am I anti-Christian? Only the segment of Christians who hold such horrific ideals. I'd be against anyone of any religion who thinks the same.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

Goddammit, I said I wasn't going to reply to you, and here I go already. The versions of them that espouse anti-homosexuality, genocide, torture, suppression of women for the sin of not posessing a [i]penis,[i] and a thousand other atrocities in the Bible?YES!!!! And if you aren't, then you are an immoral, disgusting excuse for a human being. Just like Falwell was.Of course, there are many, many examples of civilizations, most of whom we espouse as the pinnacles of ancient humanity, that did NOT persecute homosexuality. Take the Greeks, for example. Or the Romans. There are more. Hell, homosexuality was even widely accepted in Christian Europe in the Renaissance, widely known as one of the brightest ages in human history. Leonardo Da Vinci had at least one gay lover. Go read a few history books.In any case, the crimes against humanity committed by past civilizations do not excuse such acts today. Or do you seriously suggest that it's okay to kill the rest of the Jews because, what the hell, Germany already did it!I;ve already said that I don't care that Falwell hid behind the Bible to spew his hatred of gays and others. I don;t care if you do it, either, or anyone else.I get along just fine with Christians like my family, or Jar, or my girlfriend, or many others who understand that some of the things espoused in the Bible are simply immoral and wrong. Persecuting someone (or worse, espousing eternal fucking torture) for their sexual orientation, their gender, the color of their skin, (all of which would be things included by the very god who supposedly created them) or their lack of belief in your specific sky pixie is, flatly, WRONG, and I don;t care how many Bible verses you trot out because I'm not a Christian (and not all Christians agree with you, anyway). To me, it's just a book, and the parts you quote supporting persecution of gays and women are no better than Mein Kampf.You know, Hitler quoted the Bible a lot, too. Ever read Mein Kampf? I've read some. It's tough, because it makes you feel sick, but the guy really thought he was doing God's work. No, he was not an Atheist. What he did was still disgustingly evil, even if he had Biblical support (or even just thought he did...really, it doesn't matter).I'm just going to wrap this up. Buz, I am against anyone who says "you are evil" or "you are bringing Gods wrath on the rest of us" or "sit down and shut up" or "you should die" because of that persons skin color, gender, religion, lack of religion, sexual orientation, or hair color. If that means I'm against you, so be it. If that means I'm against your God, I wouldn't like him anyway, and I'd rather burn in hell than follow an immoral asshole like the one you apparently follow, even if he existed. The Christians I know would call yours a despicable, false version of the God of the Bible.

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.