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Author Topic:   Jerry Falwell dead.
nator
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Message 115 of 224 (400851)
05-16-2007 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Buzsaw
05-16-2007 10:15 PM


Re: Reaping What He Sowed
I didn't compare Falwell to Hitler.
I compared your glowing critique of his life to the glowing verses that the Hitler Youth poet wrote about his or her leader.
It was to point out that if a charismatic leader effectively manipulates people's fears and capitalizes upon their prejudices, they will be willfully blind to almost any immoral, despicable, self-serving behavior displayed by that leader.
Way to drink the KoolAde, buz.
Anyway, that poem was written in the 30's, during the time the Nazis called "The Persecution" before the Nazi takeover in Austria. The Jews were increasingly persecuted but they were mostly being forced out of the country at this point. there were no roundups yet, no deathcamps, no ovens or gas chambers.
None of the authors had any inkling of what horrors were to come.
You were alive during WW2, weren't you? You should know this stuff better than I do.
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nator
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Message 131 of 224 (400903)
05-17-2007 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by Buzsaw
05-17-2007 8:56 AM


Re: Your question was answered.
I stand corrected.
However, I'd like to know exactly what you think the ACLU opposes that Falwell supports.
You do know that ACLU stands for American Civil Liberties Union, don't you?
As in, they defend anyone's civil liberties as guaranteed in the United states Constitution. They have defended both pornographers and preachers. That should indicate to you that they are NOT politically biased and the ONLY thing that guides them in choosing which cases to take on is if there has been a violation of our constitution.
As far as I can tell, the only thing that the ACLU opposes that Falwell supported was his desire for theocratic government in the US, which would be unconstitutional.

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Message 132 of 224 (400904)
05-17-2007 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by Buzsaw
05-17-2007 9:23 AM


Re: A caveat
quote:
We're having destructive disasters at home and loosing personel in overseas wars. We're beginning to loose God's blessings partly due to the kind of Bibliophobia and apostacy from truth we see right here in this thread as the present generation prevails. As the nation's majority thumbs their noses at God so the hedge of protection departs and destruction comes via disaster and foreign invaders who are the trojan horse types setting us up for internal turmoil and oppression.
And won't you be devastated if peace were to break out?
I mean, that would mean that the apocolypse and the Second Coming aren't happening any time soon, right?
That's why Jerry and all the rest of the crazy christian fudies support Israel and do everything they can to prevent middle east peace. They think it is all going to start there and they want to help it along.
After all, Jerry said that the antichrist is currently alive and is a male Jew.

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Message 154 of 224 (401044)
05-18-2007 1:05 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Phat
05-17-2007 6:13 PM


Re: Some Notable Condolences
quote:
Whats that supposed to mean? Who is my team?
Conservative Christians.
quote:
Who are you people?
Same as above.
quote:
I wouldn't spew hatred for Madelyn Murray O'Hare, who caused a lot of damage herself in her day.
Oh? What sort of damage did she do?

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Message 155 of 224 (401045)
05-18-2007 1:19 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Hyroglyphx
05-17-2007 6:55 PM


Re: A caveat
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Jerry Falwell hurt this country deeply? I was unaware that Rev. Falwell had enough influence to hurt the country deeply. As far as I can tell, he wasnt so much as a blip on the radar screen. I think the indelible stain you envision for Falwell is largely manifested in your mind.
Dude, Falwell was on the maintream TV news shows practically every other day representing the Christian viewpoint.
He founded the Moral Majority right wing relligious lobby group.
He published a pseudo-documentary accusing the Clintons of criminal wrongdoing that sold 150,000 copies despite being debunked by all legitimate investigative bodies.
Shall I go on? I could mention the racism and homophobia he advocated.
He was a disease
quote:
And who/what is the cure?
The cure?
Our populace needs to stop feeling squeamish about loudly and repeatedly condemning religious ignorance and bigotry even when it comes from within our own religion.
The only way people free themselves from religious ignorance and bigotry is through exposure to people who are different than we are and through education.
It is no surprise that people in culturally-diverse cities tend to be less bigoted towards people no like them.
It is no surprise that people who are more highly educated tend to be more open to new and different ideas, and more open to changing their minds.
Insular communities make for xenophobia.
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nator
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Message 156 of 224 (401046)
05-18-2007 1:33 AM


You don't like comparisons to Hitler?
OK, then, if not Hitler, how about MacCarthy, except nobody in the media not the government ever stood up to him and ran him out of town like they did MacCarthy.

  
nator
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Message 188 of 224 (401798)
05-22-2007 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by Buzsaw
05-21-2007 11:51 PM


Re: Bible On Gaydom
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Not only that, but it's a given that Jesus proclaimed repeatedly that he always does the Father's will who sent him. There's never a disagreement between them.
Of course, that would mean that all the Christians should be following the laws of Kashrut, too, I suppose.

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