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subbie
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Message 1 of 224 (400604)
05-15-2007 4:10 PM


The Immoral Minority has lost its biggest mouthpiece. The world is a better place without him.
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Message 9 of 224 (400623)
05-15-2007 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Hyroglyphx
05-15-2007 6:52 PM


Re: A caveat
Tacky? That's me all over.
Childish? Only when I'm awake.
Disrespectful? It's more respect than he deserves.
Hindu, Buddhist? To quote Python: "I've never been one of those."
Edited by subbie, : Tyop.

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 10 of 224 (400624)
05-15-2007 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by berberry
05-15-2007 6:58 PM


Re: A caveat
I say "fuck Jerry Falwell".
Of course you do, now that he's not here to condemn you for your necrophilia.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 14 of 224 (400629)
05-15-2007 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Adminnemooseus
05-15-2007 7:24 PM


Re: OK - Let's not try to see how far down in the gutter this topic can be dragged
You apparently took into account the topic and decided to merely chide us, rather than a more draconian response.
I appreciate that.
Point taken.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 32 of 224 (400670)
05-16-2007 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Hyroglyphx
05-15-2007 7:31 PM


A reply to nemesis's "caveat"
While you did not address me directly, since I began this thread with the words, "The Immoral Minority has lost its biggest mouthpiece. The world is a better place without him," I shall assume that your aspersions included me as well.
So let me make sure I'm accurate here. You say the man is "hateful," and yet you spew hate from your sewer and rejoice over his death. What makes you holier than thou in this case?
I never used the bully pulpit to pervert the loving words of Christ into vile lies about millions of people who never did a thing against me. I never twisted a personal philosophy of life espoused by a great philosopher into a political platform. I never supported the systematic deprivation of basic human rights to anyone, much less two nations of blacks, simply because of the color of their skin. I think those facts alone are sufficient for me to claim the moral high ground over Falwell.
So, not only are you a hatemongerer, but you're also a raging hypocrite for calling him one too.
I never preached hate. I never exhorted others to hate, for any reason. For that matter, I don't hate Falwell, although I hate most of what he did. Life is much too short to waste it hating.
You are basically trying to justify your own hatred by saying that he is/was hateful too, and therefor, that somehow gives you in the right to dancing on his grave.
Even assuming that I did hate him for what he did, there's no way to draw a parallel between hating one man for what he did, and the harm he did to millions, and hating millions because of the color of their skin, or the god they worship, or who they choose to have sexual relations with. But I don't expect you to understand that, since you and Falwell both claim to pray to the same myth.
Falwell is going to stand before his Maker and give testimony to his Judge. More has been entrusted to the Falwell's of the world, which means more is expected of them. Lets go ahead and let God be God. He makes a better judge than we do.
If there is a loving god, and if that being doesn't condemn Falwell to some period of suffering for the damage he did to people who never did a thing to hurt him, then I say in all confidence and sincerity, that I am a better judge than that god is.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 47 of 224 (400698)
05-16-2007 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Buzsaw
05-16-2007 9:09 AM


Re: A caveat
I'm not going to call you a liar, because it's quite possible that you believe what you say. Nonetheless, you are wrong.
Secularists have advocated non-equality in school science for Christians. (Abe: Where they were able to practice Christianity openly in school and some public arenas et al for centuries, they have lost those freedoms.)
Individuals do have the right to practice Christianity openly wherever they choose to do so. In fact, there is federal legislation specifically saying that if a school allows student groups to use school facilities for meetings, the school cannot deny access to any group because it is a religious group. What has changed is that the government cannot practice any form of religion.
Btw, it is Biblical that the leadership role of the man is the natural and good thing for cultures, so don't blame the preacher. Blame God and the Bible if you have a problem with that.
If I have a problem with that, and I in fact do, I am fully justified in blaming both the bible and anyone who advocates that position as well. It's no defense to being racist, sexist or any other "ist" to simply say, "the bible tells me so." Those who choose to follow bigoted policies are just as much bigots themselves, regardless of the source of the policy.
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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 51 of 224 (400705)
05-16-2007 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Buzsaw
05-16-2007 10:42 AM


Re: A caveat
How could any "righteous" person say these things:
“AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.”
“If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being.”
“Homosexuality is Satan's diabolical attack upon the family that will not only have a corrupting influence upon our next generation, but it will also bring down the wrath of God upon America.”
“I do not believe we can blame genetics for adultery, homosexuality, dishonesty and other character flaws.”
“[homosexuals are] brute beasts...part of a vile and satanic system [that] will be utterly annihilated, and there will be a celebration in heaven.”
Jerry Falwell quotes

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 145 of 224 (401010)
05-17-2007 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by Hyroglyphx
05-17-2007 7:39 PM


Re: A reply to nemesis's "caveat"
Not so much, no.... There was tact in how you presented yours
Thanks.
I never supported the systematic deprivation of basic human rights
That's because in a world of relativity, basic or complex human rights don't exist beyond mere opinion.
I might take exception to your claim that it's "mere opinion," but even giving you that, it doesn't change my assessment any, since it is itself, just my opinion.
An interesting thing for a white man to be a racist and also endorse Allen Keys, a black man, for president. If Falwell was a racist, its news to me.
If that's all it takes for someone to convince you he's not a racist, you haven't been around much. In any event, I'm willing to accept the possiblity that later events in his life suggest that he changed his views on racism. However, given that as late as the 1980s, he was still arguing against sanctions against Apartied and called Desmond Tutu a phony, if this change came, it was much, much later than anyone else I know who calls himself a "man of god."
Now that's the ticket. I wish some of the other people shared your sentiments. There is alot of people that I personally don't like. But far be it from me to cheer their death in order to assuage my own hate.
Slow down thar, buckaroo. While I don't hate him, that doesn't mean I don't cheer his death. I agree with what someone else said in this thread, that it's a tragedy that he didn't change his views on a lot of things, but it was far past the time when anyone would reasonably expect him to. Absent such an epiphanous moment, I fully would have expected him to continue his venom, and I'm glad he's no longer here to do so.
I do sympathize with his family and their loss. And I'd certainly never dream of sending them any communication detailing my thoughts on his passing; that would be heartless. But then, I don't think anyone who frequents this site would do that. I feel comfortable expressing myself here, as I don't expect that the Falwell clan will likely be passing through on their way to the funeral.
"Its so easy to feel elite. Its so easy to feel conceit, when you judge yourself" -Lou Koller
Heh. My Wife would tell you, nobody is as hard on me as I am.
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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 160 of 224 (401081)
05-18-2007 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by Coragyps
05-18-2007 10:31 AM


This just in: Rev. Falwell is still dead!
Thank you, Chevy Chase.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 208 of 224 (402418)
05-26-2007 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by Taz
05-26-2007 2:18 PM


You guys are arguing based on completely different points of view. Get over it. Why not just agree to disagree?
Great. Bring the forum board business to a screeching halt, why don'tcha?

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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