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nator
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Message 46 of 180 (401103)
05-18-2007 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Trump won
05-18-2007 11:29 AM


I'd just like to say for the record that I do not agree with MOO's characterization of how drug use affects the human body/psyche.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 47 of 180 (401106)
05-18-2007 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by JustinC
05-18-2007 11:51 AM


Come on now, have you ever had a thought that you thought was profound while tripping that turned out not to be nonsense when you came down?
Sure. I've also had thoughts that I thought were profound while sober, that turned out to be nonsense when I looked at them later. But my signal to noise ratio is demonstrably better while tripping. And I've never had a tripping night that didn't result in a remarkable shift in perception on at least one subject when I came down.
If there's one problem I have with hallucinogens, it's that I can't keep that fluiditiy of free-association on hand to call up whenever I need it, and instead have to devote a whole night to near-physically-incapacitating myself.

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

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Message 48 of 180 (401107)
05-18-2007 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by JustinC
05-18-2007 11:48 AM


quote:
In the spirit of the OP, what drugs have you tried and do you have any regrets?
None. No regrets.

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Message 49 of 180 (401108)
05-18-2007 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by subbie
05-18-2007 11:50 AM


Drunkenness is immoral because as I said because it lowers you to a state lower than that of an animal. You temporarily do not have your cognitive ability and you are irrational, lacking the ability to reason.
I have not written a single falsehood.
Furthermore, those that experience little ill effects neglect the needs of the other participants around them which is immoral.
Edited by -messenjah of one, : furthermore

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berberry
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Message 50 of 180 (401109)
05-18-2007 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Dan Carroll
05-18-2007 11:43 AM


Dan Carroll writes:
quote:
From the inside of your head, they temporarily raise you to Human.
That's a great way of putting it!
But in all honesty, at least in my experience, that's only phase 1. Letting H = Human, phase two can be expressed as H/2.

W.W.E.D.?

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Trump won 
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Message 51 of 180 (401110)
05-18-2007 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by nator
05-18-2007 11:52 AM


It's science.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 52 of 180 (401111)
05-18-2007 12:09 PM
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05-18-2007 12:07 PM


But in all honesty, at least in my experience, that's only phase 1. Letting H = Human, phase two can be expressed as H/2.
Well, I'd be the last to say that too much of a good thing can't possibly be bad.

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

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Dan Carroll
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Message 53 of 180 (401112)
05-18-2007 12:13 PM
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05-18-2007 12:06 PM


Drunkenness is immoral because as I said because it lowers you to a state lower than that of an animal.
If Ernest Hemingway, Oscar Wilde, Dorothy Parker, Tom Waits, Shane McGowan, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Hunter S. Thompson, Brendan Behan, Dylan Thomas, and William Faulkner are less than animals, I'll consider it an honor to be somewhere around the level of a dog.

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

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Message 54 of 180 (401113)
05-18-2007 12:17 PM
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05-18-2007 12:13 PM


They were not writing when drunk. Especially F. Scott Fitzgerald, the only notable writer in your list.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 55 of 180 (401114)
05-18-2007 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Trump won
05-18-2007 12:17 PM


They were not writing when drunk.
There is no possible way to type the appropriate amount of laughter in response to this statement.
Especially F. Scott Fitzgerald, the only notable writer in your list.
And just when I think you can't top yourself...

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

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Trump won 
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Message 56 of 180 (401120)
05-18-2007 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Dan Carroll
05-18-2007 12:22 PM


Fact is, you can't accept that your lifestyle is immoral. Address the heart of my posts if you want to be taken seriously.
Edited by -messenjah of one, : that

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Dan Carroll
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Message 57 of 180 (401122)
05-18-2007 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Trump won
05-18-2007 12:41 PM


Sorry kiddo, but when you said that Shane McGowan doesn't work drunk, I gave up any hope of serious words passing between us.

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

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JustinC
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Message 58 of 180 (401124)
05-18-2007 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Dan Carroll
05-18-2007 11:57 AM


quote:
Sure. I've also had thoughts that I thought were profound while sober, that turned out to be nonsense when I looked at them later. But my signal to noise ratio is demonstrably better while tripping. And I've never had a tripping night that didn't result in a remarkable shift in perception on at least one subject when I came down.
I once had the epiphany that liquids conform to the shape of their container...it was mindblowing.
That said, I was eating shrooms laced with LSD. Too much of a good thing is very possible with psychodelics.

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JustinC
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Message 59 of 180 (401125)
05-18-2007 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Trump won
05-18-2007 12:03 PM


quote:
None. No regrets.
And yet you speak with such confidence and arrogance with regard to their effects? Shouldn't you be a little more humble in your statements about a subject you know nothing about?
I'm not saying that can't have a reasonable opinion, but I can't imagine speaking with such certainty. Are you sure that a moderate intake of certain drugs like alcohol or marijuana significantly effects your ability to reason? If so, how do you know this? Doesn't it make sense that one is more at liberty to think about subjects clearly if they aren't marred by anxiety?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 60 of 180 (401127)
05-18-2007 1:09 PM
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05-18-2007 12:06 PM


Jesus' first miracle was turning water into wine.
He's cool with us drinking it.
You're christian, right?
If not, ignore this.

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