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Taz
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Message 181 of 224 (401749)
05-21-2007 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by PaulK
05-19-2007 6:15 PM


Re: A reply to nemesis's "caveat"
PaulK writes:

there is no reference to Jesus himself condemning homosexuality at all.


Jesus does say repeatedly in the NT to avoid sexual immorality mentioned in the OT. Sexual immorality in the OT includes man on man hairy ass sex.

I used to try to point out that the bible doesn't condemn homosexuality. Frankly, the other side eventually convinced me that the bible does indeed look down on gaydom.

Edited by Tazmanian Devil, : No reason given.



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Buzsaw
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Message 182 of 224 (401761)
05-21-2007 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Taz
05-21-2007 10:04 PM


Re: Bible On Gaydom
TD writes:

Jesus does say repeatedly in the NT to avoid sexual immorality mentioned in the OT. Sexual immorality in the OT includes man on man hairy ass sex.
I used to try to point out that the bible doesn't condemn homosexuality. Frankly, the other side eventually convinced me that the bible does indeed look down on gaydom.

Thanks Taz. Not only that, but it's a given that Jesus proclaimed repeatedly that he always does the Father's will who sent him. There's never a disagreement between them.


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Buzsaw
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Message 183 of 224 (401769)
05-22-2007 1:05 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by Asgara
05-20-2007 11:55 AM


Re: Those Good Old Days
Maybe we'll get to that again sometime, melady. In the mean time have a look:

http://maps.grida.no/go/graphic/web_trends_in_natural_disasters_004.jpg

Btw, I've been reading a lot in the Bible about how Falwell is right in that sin and rebellion against God's guidelines (GG) brings on wrath and disaster, et al.

Proverbs 1:24-33, ASV

24 Because I have called, and ye have refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man hath regarded;

25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, And would none of my reproof:

26 I also will laugh in the day of your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

27 When your fear cometh as a storm, And your calamity cometh on as a whirlwind; When distress and anguish come upon you.

28 Then will they call upon me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently, but they shall not find me:

29 For that they hated knowledge, And did not choose the fear of Jehovah:

30 They would none of my counsel; They despised all my reproof.

31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, And be filled with their own devices.

32 For the backsliding of the simple shall slay them, And the careless ease of fools shall destroy them.

33 But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell securely, And shall be quiet without fear of evil.

And Nahum 1:3-9, relative to the end time wrath of God.

Jehovah is a jealous God and avengeth; Jehovah avengeth and is full of wrath; Jehovah taketh vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.
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3 Jehovah is slow to anger, and great in power, and will by no means clear the guilty : Jehovah hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.
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4 He rebuketh the sea, and maketh it dry, and drieth up all the rivers: Bashan languisheth, and Carmel; and the flower of Lebanon languisheth.
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5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt; and the earth is upheaved at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
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6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his wrath is poured out like fire, and the rocks are broken asunder by him.
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7 Jehovah is good, a stronghold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that take refuge in him.
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8 But with an over-running flood he will make a full end of her place, and will pursue his enemies into darkness.
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9 What do ye devise against Jehovah? he will make a full end ......


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Taz
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Message 184 of 224 (401770)
05-22-2007 1:05 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by Buzsaw
05-21-2007 11:51 PM


Re: Bible On Gaydom
Well, just because I'm a heretic doesn't mean I can't be fair. But consider this for a moment. If we take this route of Jesus mentioning sexual immorality from the OT, we'd have to also conclude that spilling one's seed on the ground is sinful along with oral sex and such.



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He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!


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kuresu
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Message 185 of 224 (401771)
05-22-2007 1:30 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by Buzsaw
05-22-2007 1:05 AM


Re: Those Good Old Days
Haven't been on for a while, but when I saw this, just had to point it out.

First, your link is mentioning the increase in the number of reported disasters. Not the actual number.

Second, why would god pick floods and cyclones over earthquakes?

Third, if the increase in floods and cyclones is due to global warming, we've none but ourselves, not God, to blame. Global warming is a man-made disaster. No divine intervention is necessary when it's obvious that spewing out CO2 increases temperatures, and we've been spewing out tons of CO2 for a good long while.

If anything, you've only proved that more disaster are being reported than ever before and that more climatic disasters are happening thanks to global warming.

And what does any of this have to do with the topic anyhow?


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PaulK
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Message 186 of 224 (401772)
05-22-2007 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by Taz
05-21-2007 10:04 PM


Re: A reply to nemesis's "caveat"
quote:

Jesus does say repeatedly in the NT to avoid sexual immorality mentioned in the OT. Sexual immorality in the OT includes man on man hairy ass sex.

Where ? Buz certainly doesn't know or he'd have said so. Most of the anti-gay Christians don't seem to know either - because they never reference any such verses.


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Buzsaw
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Message 187 of 224 (401789)
05-22-2007 7:23 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by PaulK
05-22-2007 2:00 AM


Re: A reply to nemesis's "caveat"
Paul, I know the references but we're straying from topic to get into the specifics. You have no case and beating a dead horse. Go to a concordance and you'll find it all. It's obvious that you don't know nearly as much Bible as you try to make folks think you do and it's obvious that you lack the ability to correlate scripture with scripture as is so important in understanding scripture.


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nator
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Message 188 of 224 (401798)
05-22-2007 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by Buzsaw
05-21-2007 11:51 PM


Re: Bible On Gaydom
quote:
Not only that, but it's a given that Jesus proclaimed repeatedly that he always does the Father's will who sent him. There's never a disagreement between them.

Of course, that would mean that all the Christians should be following the laws of Kashrut, too, I suppose.


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PaulK
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Message 189 of 224 (401801)
05-22-2007 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by Buzsaw
05-22-2007 7:23 AM


Re: A reply to nemesis's "caveat"
quote:

Paul, I know the references

You didn't know any relevant references when I asked.

quote:

You have no case and beating a dead horse

It seems not. Unlesss you cnn produce those references and show that they support your claim.

quote:

It's obvious that you don't know nearly as much Bible as you try to make folks think you do

I don't try to make people think that I do a lot about the Bible. You do. And the falsehoods in your post are just part of your campaign of pretence.

quote:

it's obvious that you lack the ability to correlate scripture with scripture as is so important in understanding scripture.

If you remember our discussion of the Olivet Discourse it's clear that even there I do better than you. You repeatedly failed to connect the three accounts.

In short this is just more petty bluff and bravado produced in the hope that people will forget all the times I've trounced you.


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Rahvin
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Message 190 of 224 (401990)
05-23-2007 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by Buzsaw
05-22-2007 7:23 AM


Re: A reply to nemesis's "caveat"
And of course here's an example of what Falwell's teachings lead to:

From ABC News:

quote:
Even in death, the Rev. Jerry Falwell rouses the most volatile of emotions.

A small group of protesters gathered near the funeral services to criticize the man who mobilized Christian evangelicals and made them a major force in American politics -- often by playing on social prejudices.

A group of students from Falwell's Liberty University staged a counterprotest.

And Campbell County authorities arrested a Liberty University student for having several homemade bombs in his car.

The student, 19-year-old Mark D. Uhl of Amissville, Va., reportedly told authorities that he was making the bombs to stop protesters from disrupting the funeral service. The devices were made of a combination of gasoline and detergent, a law enforcement official told ABC News' Pierre Thomas. They were "slow burn," according to the official, and would not have been very destructive.

"There were indications that there were others involved in the manufacturing of these devices and we are still investigating these individuals with the assistance of ATF [Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms], Virginia State Police and FBI. At this time it is not believed that these devices were going to be used to interrupt the funeral services at Liberty University," the Campbell County Sheriff's Office said in a release.

Three other suspects are being sought, one of whom is a soldier from Fort Benning, Ga., and another is a high school student. No information was available on the third suspect.

Authorities were alerted to the potential bomb plot after relative of Uhl called to say that he had homemade bombs in his possession. Officials searched Uhl's car where they found five incendiary devices in the trunk.

Uhl is currently being held under no bond at the Campbell County Adult Detention Center.


That's right, radically fundamentalist Christianity is just like radically fundamentalist Islam! Who would've guessed?

THIS is why I'm glad Falwell is dead. He inspired this level of hate and intolerance, so much so that even after his death some student at his school planned to blow up people who didn't like Falwell at the funeral.

If Liberty University was Islamic instead of Christian, we'd call it a Madrassa.


Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Message 191 of 224 (401993)
05-23-2007 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 190 by Rahvin
05-23-2007 9:31 AM


Another "homegrown" terrorist
That's right, radically fundamentalist Christianity is just like radically fundamentalist Islam! Who would've guessed?

THIS is why I'm glad Falwell is dead. He inspired this level of hate and intolerance, so much so that even after his death some student at his school planned to blow up people who didn't like Falwell at the funeral.

The big question is whether he is being prosecuted as a terrorist or not.

If the federal government does not take him and prosecute him as a terrorist they are being hypocritical (not that that has stopped them before).

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Zhimbo
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Message 192 of 224 (402050)
05-23-2007 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Rahvin
05-23-2007 9:31 AM


Home-grown Falwell-inspired terrorist's MySpace page
Wanna see the guy's MySpace page?

Check it out here. Well, that's not a direct link, but you can get there with another link. This link is a blog entry about his MySpace page...


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Buzsaw
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Message 193 of 224 (402054)
05-23-2007 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by PaulK
05-22-2007 8:08 AM


Re: A reply to nemesis's "caveat"
PaulK writes:

It seems not. Unlesss you cnn produce those references and show that they support your claim.

I find that with you it's useless to try and support anything. No matter what I produce, you reject it, regardless of how substantial it is, just like in the Olivet Discourse debate where you apply centuries worth of events to a few decades. You allege it's not prophetic when significant segments of it clearly apply to the latter days. FYI, the discourse goes the whole chapter in all four gospels.

If I produce the references you'll deny as usual with more demands for responses, so don't be surprised if I decline to respond to some of your input.


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berberry
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Message 194 of 224 (402057)
05-23-2007 11:14 PM


the funeral and republican politics
I was heartened to hear that none of the presidential candidates attended Falwell's funeral. It's also interesting that apparently none of the republican candidates have been invited to the dedication of Billy Graham's new library, even though three former presidents will attend. Billy Graham is one of very, very few fundie preachers who also happens to be a good man who has shown courage in a good fight. I would think that attending a function in his honor is about the most risk-free thing a republican could do to try to court favor with both liberal and conservative evangelicals. It's interesting that apparently none of them are getting that chance.


W.W.E.D.?

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Buzsaw
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Message 195 of 224 (402060)
05-23-2007 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Rahvin
05-23-2007 9:31 AM


Re: Rahvin's Uncredible Exaggeration
Rahvin writes:

That's right, radically fundamentalist Christianity is just like radically fundamentalist Islam! Who would've guessed?

THIS is why I'm glad Falwell is dead. He inspired this level of hate and intolerance, so much so that even after his death some student at his school planned to blow up people who didn't like Falwell at the funeral.

If Liberty University was Islamic instead of Christian, we'd call it a Madrassa.

Rahvin, this just shows how uncredible and nonsensical some of your stuff is.
One sicko nutcase student out of an enrollment of over 12,000 is found to have some kind of bombs in his car and you take that rare incident and attempt to make a case that Christianity "is just like radically fundamentalist Islam," a religion which has an estimated thousands of terrorists ever waiting in line for their turn to kill as many ordinary citizens as possible by blowing themselves and their victims to pieces as well as injuring other thousands often with the blessings of their influential clerical and political leaders.

Falwell had a role in inspiring all these 12,000 studens as well as scores of thousands of graduates. If Falwell's variety of inspiration "inspired this level of hate and intolerance," how then, can just one out of scores of thousands of good citizens be "inspired" towards "this level of hate and intolerance" by Jerry Falwell? Perhaps a demonic entity inspired this one sicko. No?

You're making quite a fool out of yourself here, aren't you, Rahvin?


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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