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Buzsaw
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Message 196 of 224 (402061)
05-23-2007 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by berberry
05-23-2007 11:14 PM


Re: the funeral and republican politics
berberry writes:

I was heartened to hear that none of the presidential candidates attended Falwell's funeral.

Folks like most on this thread around the country have been very effectively badmouthing and verbally trashing a good man to the extent that it would be political suicide for any of them to attend; simple as that.

Eat your heart out. Jesus who was treated much worse by the clamoring hoards of false accusers sit's on the right hand of God almighty as we speak. If the Bible is as true as all the fulfilled prophecies show it to be, my bet is that Falwell likely fairs better in God's judment day than all of you, his accusers.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW
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Rahvin
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Message 197 of 224 (402062)
05-23-2007 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by Buzsaw
05-23-2007 11:31 PM


Re: Rahvin's Uncredible Exaggeration
Rahvin, this just shows how uncredible and nonsensical some of your stuff is.
One sicko nutcase student out of an enrollment of over 12,000 is found to have some kind of bombs in his car and you take that rare incident and attempt to make a case that Christianity "is just like radically fundamentalist Islam," a religion which has an estimated thousands of terrorists ever waiting in line for their turn to kill as many ordinary citizens as possible by blowing themselves and their victims to pieces as well as injuring other thousands often with the blessings of their influential clerical and political leaders.

Falwell had a role in inspiring all these 12,000 studens as well as scores of thousands of graduates. If Falwell's variety of inspiration "inspired this level of hate and intolerance," how then, can just one out of scores of thousands of good citizens be "inspired" towards "this level of hate and intolerance" by Jerry Falwell? Perhaps a demonic entity inspired this one sicko. No?

You're making quite a fool out of yourself here, aren't you, Rahvin?

Nice strawman. I didn;t say Christianity. I said radically fundamentalist Christianity. Much like ALL Muslims are not out to blow us up, neither are all Christians nutbars. But radical fundamentalist Christianity is prone to violence, just like radically fundamentalist Islam.

Radically fundamentalist Christianity is the hatemongering stuff that caused all of the Christian atrocities of the past. Radically fundamentalist Christianity is what drives all of the BAD part of Christianity today. This is entirely different from the normal Christians who don't think homosexuality brings natural disasters. Exactly like radical fundamentalist Muslims like to blow up infidels, and normal Muslims tend to value life much like normal Christians. The fact that it appears that there are far more radical fundamentalist Muslims than radical fundamentalist Christians is irrelevant and a red herring.

And demonic entities, Buz? And you call ME a fool?


Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 198 of 224 (402064)
05-23-2007 11:57 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by Buzsaw
05-23-2007 11:47 PM


Re: the funeral and republican politics
don't even begin to liken this man who called for the deaths and condemnations of people to a man who died for their unconditional forgiveness. don't you dare.
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jar
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Message 199 of 224 (402065)
05-24-2007 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Buzsaw
05-23-2007 11:47 PM


Re: the funeral and republican politics
Eat your heart out. Jesus who was treated much worse by the clamoring hoards of false accusers sit's on the right hand of God almighty as we speak. If the Bible is as true as all the fulfilled prophecies show it to be, my bet is that Falwell likely fairs better in God's judment day than all of you, his accusers.

Yeah, right.

With Jerry Falwell dead there is one less LIAR and Fraud to Blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

Jerry Falwell will rot in Hell along with all the other members of the Christian Cult of Ignorance, just like all the other False Prophets who proclaim End Time Prophecy.

And when Pat Robertson dies and the Crouches the world will be a better place.


Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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PaulK
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Message 200 of 224 (402070)
05-24-2007 2:12 AM
Reply to: Message 193 by Buzsaw
05-23-2007 10:37 PM


Re: A reply to nemesis's "caveat"
quote:

I find that with you it's useless to try and support anything. No matter what I produce, you reject it, regardless of how substantial it is, just like in the Olivet Discourse debate where you apply centuries worth of events to a few decades. You allege it's not prophetic when significant segments of it clearly apply to the latter days. FYI, the discourse goes the whole chapter in all four gospels.

You mean that because I actually read the Bible I spot all your efforts to twist and misrepresent it. That is what happened in the discussion of the Olivet Discourse.

Do you want to reme r some of your lowlights ? Like you isnsitence that we should let the phrasing of the Disciples question in Matthew dictate our reading of the Discourse - ignoring the content of the Discourse itself, even though the phrasing in Mark was different. Your twisting of the Biblical requirement for three witnesses so you wouldn't have to admit that you were wrong ? Hey' it's on;ly the Bible, it's MUCH less important than Buzsaw's ego !

And FYI the Olivet Discourse isn't even IN John.

quote:

If I produce the references you'll deny as usual with more demands for responses, so don't be surprised if I decline to respond to some of your input.

In other words you're either refusing to look up the references because you're too lazy or because you know you'd have to twist and misrepresent them and you're fed up with being caught doing it.


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Jon Paine
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Message 201 of 224 (402156)
05-24-2007 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by Buzsaw
05-23-2007 11:47 PM


Re: the funeral and republican politics
Jerry Falwell's threat of hellfire is not believable. There is no evidence. The Bible is a fabrication.

Jerry Falwell was no more or less good or evil than was his deity, but that is not saying too much. Most Christians don't read the old testament, but insist that the God of the Bible is the same today, yesterday and forever. For you and others who believe in a good God and a good Jerry, may I refer you to the Bible itself. But be forewarned, the Bible contains both violence and cursing of innocents, to wit: http://www.evilbible.com/

Edited by Jon Paine, : improve opening sentence


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Buzsaw
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Message 202 of 224 (402347)
05-25-2007 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by Rahvin
05-23-2007 11:53 PM


Re: Rahvin's Uncredible Exaggeration
Rahvin writes:

Nice strawman. I didn;t say Christianity. I said radically fundamentalist Christianity. Much like ALL Muslims are not out to blow us up, neither are all Christians nutbars. But radical fundamentalist Christianity is prone to violence, just like radically fundamentalist Islam.

Radically fundamentalist Christianity is the hatemongering stuff that caused all of the Christian atrocities of the past. Radically fundamentalist Christianity is what drives all of the BAD part of Christianity today. This is entirely different from the normal Christians who don't think homosexuality brings natural disasters. Exactly like radical fundamentalist Muslims like to blow up infidels, and normal Muslims tend to value life much like normal Christians. The fact that it appears that there are far more radical fundamentalist Muslims than radical fundamentalist Christians is irrelevant and a red herring.

And demonic entities, Buz? And you call ME a fool?

The problem is that you alleged that Falwell inspired the miniscule element of radical violent Christian nutcases which I showed not to be the case. I showed that 99.9% of who this man inspired were not violent nutcases but good non-violent citizens. On the otherhand, Islam inspires thousands to radical violence.

The bottom line is that the Biblical fundamentalist principles which Falwell inspired are good non-violent principles whereas the principles which Mohammed's Islamic fundamentalism inspired violence as established by the thousands of these fundamentalists bent on violence.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW
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Buzsaw
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Message 203 of 224 (402351)
05-25-2007 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by macaroniandcheese
05-23-2007 11:57 PM


Re: the funeral and republican politics
Falwell simply preached the Biblical pronouncements that God's judgement comes upon nations which thumb their nose at him and poo poo his principles and commandments. That's not him personally wishing for the death of the 9/11ers et al. It's cause and effect on nations who defy God's role as supreme being to be respected and obeyed.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW
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LudoRephaim
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From: Jareth's labyrinth
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Message 204 of 224 (402414)
05-26-2007 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by jar
05-24-2007 12:06 AM


Re: the funeral and republican politics
Jerry Falwell will rot in Hell along with all the other members of the Christian cult of ignorance,

...Along with the atheist cult of arrogance, and the evolutionist cult of intellectual flatulence?

point: Telling people you debate with on here that they are ignorant and doomed for Hell is kinda insultive. Please dont mud sling. There has been quite enough on this particular thread as it is (along with assertions not backed up by sources, though not always), and I believe that there are forum guidelines against it. Personally I dont believe in dancing and trotting on someones grave to be either decent or acceptable (you dont see me doing so on the Stanley Miller is dead thread. I feel for his family in their loss, despite what he and they believed). And please dont bring up Hitler or Stalin or some mass murdering dictator in response: bad, bad comparison.
Dont bite, or chew the messenger: just being Devil's advocate :)

BTW: Neat avatar, but i really do miss your orangutan :(

Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.


"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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jar
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Message 205 of 224 (402415)
05-26-2007 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by LudoRephaim
05-26-2007 1:58 PM


Atheists and Hell?
...Along with the atheist cult of arrogance, and the evolutionist cult of intellectual flatulence?

Hell no!

Heaven will have far more atheists than Christians I am sure. And far more Evolutionists than Biblical Creationists. But Falwell and other similar blasphemers?

Unlikely.


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LudoRephaim
Member (Idle past 3159 days)
Posts: 651
From: Jareth's labyrinth
Joined: 03-12-2006


Message 206 of 224 (402416)
05-26-2007 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by jar
05-26-2007 2:04 PM


Re: Atheists and Hell?
Hell no!

why?

Heaven will have far more atheists that Christians i am sure. And far more evolutionists thatn Biblical Creationists.

Interesting statement. Do you have a source or sources to back that up? Preferably from something such as (um, i dont know) the Bible, or whatever religious text you deem useful, maybe a essay from Oxford's theological big wigs, Archie Bunker's guide to the good book, Jerry Springer...

But Falwell and other similar blasphemers? Unlikely

How exactly did Falwell or others like him Blaspheme? I'm a little bit curious. I was never a big super fan of Falwells, but I dont think he's Hellbound.

Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.


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Taz
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Message 207 of 224 (402417)
05-26-2007 2:18 PM


Guys, why are you arguing? This is like trying to convince the Chinese that pizza is better than tofu. You guys are arguing based on completely different points of view. Get over it. Why not just agree to disagree?



We are BOG. Resistance is voltage over current.

Disclaimer:

Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style.

He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!


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subbie
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Message 208 of 224 (402418)
05-26-2007 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by Taz
05-26-2007 2:18 PM


You guys are arguing based on completely different points of view. Get over it. Why not just agree to disagree?

Great. Bring the forum board business to a screeching halt, why don'tcha?


Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat


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LudoRephaim
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Message 209 of 224 (402419)
05-26-2007 2:21 PM
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05-26-2007 2:18 PM


Hy Taz
Hi Taz! :)

Before I write further, I just wanna say I am a BIG fan! I like how you chased after bugs Bunny and nearly ate him!

You want us to agree to disagree? Okay, i'll call.


"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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jar
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Message 210 of 224 (402420)
05-26-2007 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by LudoRephaim
05-26-2007 2:16 PM


Re: Atheists and Hell?
To see the Biblical reasoning behind that statement see Message 1.


Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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