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Jon Paine
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Message 1 of 7 (402427)
05-26-2007 3:46 PM


The purpose of this thread is to invite people to actually read the words of the Bible and decide for themselves if God as depicted in the Bible is good or evil. I have my own opinion as you can guess. The so called “God” of the Bible makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This God, according to the Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of unborn children. I invite anyone who has the interest and courage to test their faith and reason to check out the many incidences recorded in the Bible of such atrocity at the following site, and then to come back to this thread and let's talk about it. Evil Bible .com – Fighting Against Immorality in Religion
Edited by Jon Paine, : spellling

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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Message 2 of 7 (402430)
05-26-2007 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon Paine
05-26-2007 3:46 PM


God In Context Of Bible Only?
Hey JP! Do you wish to limit this discussion to what the Bible actually says or do you wish to invite people to give you their philosophies of the God of the Bible (Jesus included) supported by other Biblical Text?
In other words, do you want this to be a Bible Accuracy and Inerrancy topic or
A Faith/Belief Topic?

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Message 3 of 7 (402433)
05-26-2007 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon Paine
05-26-2007 3:46 PM


Make Your Own Case
I have AdminPhat's permission to jump in here.
An opening post should consist of the topic question or statement being considered and the poster's own position concerning the subject. Some background information on the topic question is also good when the question could be perceived several ways.
Per the rules: Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.
You don't have any supporting discussion in your OP. Make your own case. Don't send people to someone else's argument. This is a debate board. Pick your side and support it.
Also per the rules: Never include material not your own without attribution to the original source.
Learn to use the quote boxes, so that people will know what words belong to you and which ones belong to others. Use the peek button to see how I have made the quote box if you don't already know.
The so called “God” of the Bible makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This God, according to the Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of unborn children. Evil Bible
Your contention is that the God of the Bible is evil. Provide scripture that supports your position.
I think this debate would fit better in Bible Study rather than Accurracy and Inerrance mainly because you don't seem to be addressing the accuracy of the Bible, but want to look at what the Bible says about God.
Sound good?
Reply to this message when you are ready for me to review your OP again.

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Jon Paine
Member (Idle past 6075 days)
Posts: 65
From: Los Angeles, California
Joined: 05-24-2007


Message 4 of 7 (402435)
05-26-2007 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminPhat
05-26-2007 4:39 PM


Re: God In Context Of Bible Only?
I wish to to get opinions on what the Bible actually says. As you put it, I wish to invite people to give you their philosophies of the God of the Bible (Jesus included), but solely based upon the Bible, no other sources. The reason that I wish people to look at the site Evil Bible .com – Fighting Against Immorality in Religion is because (1) it is an accurate version of the Bible, and (2) the case is stated in a way for each verse and passage in a way that is much better than I could state. I guess what I am saying is that I would like people to express their opinions, philosophies based upon the charges at the aforementioned site, which quotes the Bible absolutely accurately. I would appreciate any help in improving the initial post.
Edited by Jon Paine, : I added a phrase, "no other sources."

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Jon Paine
Member (Idle past 6075 days)
Posts: 65
From: Los Angeles, California
Joined: 05-24-2007


Message 5 of 7 (402436)
05-26-2007 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by AdminPD
05-26-2007 5:32 PM


Re: Make Your Own Case
Yes, AdminPD, I will work on it as you suggest.
quote:
Your contention is that the God of the Bible is evil. Provide scripture that supports your position.
I think this debate would fit better in Bible Study rather than Accurracy and Inerrance mainly because you don't seem to be addressing the accuracy of the Bible, but want to look at what the Bible says about God.
Sound good?
I complete agree, and will comply. It may take me a day or so to get it right before I present it to you. Jon

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Jon Paine
Member (Idle past 6075 days)
Posts: 65
From: Los Angeles, California
Joined: 05-24-2007


Message 6 of 7 (402440)
05-26-2007 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Jon Paine
05-26-2007 6:27 PM


Bible Study; my contention is that the God of the Bible is Evil.
AdminPD, please consider this as a first post?
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There is a closely held belief by all Christians that the God of the Bible is Good. That is what I used to believe as a boy. I have since changed my mind. Please understand that it is not my purpose to be railing against the Creator (if he exists); rather it is my assertion that the Biblical portrayal of him is far less than complimentary. I would appreciate it if those interested in the topic enter into debate on this thread. Our discussion should not have anything to do with the accuracy and inerrancy of scripture, but rather allow for expression of opinion as to whether the actions or commands of the Lord in scripture are suitable to a Deity. I trust that you will follow along in your own Bibles to ensure the accuracy of the text. Please do not respond with Bible quotes to the effect that God is good; we are quite aware of the positive attributes of God (for those who believe in him).
So, here we go and, again, the issue is, are the actions and commands of God as given in the scriptures acts of Goodness, or as I contend, Evil?
I contend that it is Evil to kill innocents; but the Bible says:
quote:
Kill Men, Women, and Children
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
God Kills all the First Born of Egypt
And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)
Kill Old Men and Young Women
"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)
quoting from EvilBible.com.
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Message 7 of 7 (402470)
05-27-2007 8:56 AM


Topic Promoted to Bible Study
Thread copied to the The God of the Bible is Evil thread in the Bible Study forum.
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