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Author Topic:   The God of the Bible is Evil
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Message 26 of 190 (402555)
05-27-2007 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by purpledawn
05-27-2007 9:45 PM


Re: Back to the Beginning
Hi PD,
What makes me think it is a story? Well for one thing the Egyptian livestock were killed off by a plague in Chapter 9.
Was all livestock killed, or was all livestock in the fields killed?
By the murrian, and by the hail.
The livestock in the barns and winter shelters was not affected.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 27 of 190 (402557)
05-27-2007 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Jon Paine
05-27-2007 10:43 PM


Re: The Whole Story
the Bible is a complete fabrication.
That is a very strong statement, care to back it up with facts?

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 139 of 190 (403150)
06-01-2007 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by Jon Paine
05-30-2007 7:38 PM


Re: God as depicted:
What I am asserting is that the God as depicted cannot be a realistic model by modern standards. Why not help me to make that case, won't you. I think that many will benefit.
Jon, the problem is that people have a misconception about God.
They picture God as this old man that is their personal sugar daddy, who is so good that He will not dare punish anybody for disobeying Him.
As a pastor I hear the comment's often:
"If God is such a loving God how can He put anybody in the lake of fire for eternity?"
"How can God allow bad things to happen?"
"Why does God allow so many people to die of starvation?"
"Why does God allow so many people to be sick or injured?"
The answer is simple, God made the rules.
You break the rules you pay.
He will even visit your sins down to the fourth and fifth generation.
God is:
Deut 32:4 (KJ) He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
This declares God:
To be perfect in His work.
That all His ways are judgment.
That God is true.
That God is without sin.
That God is just and right.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 140 of 190 (403151)
06-01-2007 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon Paine
05-27-2007 8:52 AM


Re-Innoncent
I contend that it is Evil to kill innocents; but the Bible says:
Ezekel 9:1-11
First of all there is no innocent. Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
Second, Israel had turned the place of worship of God into worship of the sun among other abominations.
Third, every person that sigh or cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst (of Jerusalem) thereof was spared.
Please do not respond with Bible quotes to the effect that God is good;
There are none. Jesus said three times that there was none good but God other than that there is no mention of God being good.
I John 4:16 says God is Love.
John 3:16 says God so loved the world.....
But don't ever get the idea that because God loves us he will not chasten those who do not do what He says.
A born again child of God cannot sin and not be punished.
A person who has not been born again will spend eternity in the lake of fire with Satan.
Revelation 9:15 says that four angels will destroy 1/3 of mankind, at a future date.
Romans 12:9 says, vengeance is mine, I will repay, thus saith the Lord.
There are a total of 31 verses that talk about God's vengeance in the Bible.
Therefore if God being a just God and requiring that sin be paid for by imposing His sentence is deemed evil by some, does this make God evil?
Is the judge that passes sentence on the person found guilty of murder by a jury evil? Is the system evil for carrying out that sentence. Or is the law against murder evil?
God made the laws.
God is judge, jury, and executioner. Does that make God evil?
The God as depicted in the Bible cannot be a realistic depiction of a "good God", by any civilized, modern standard.
Civilized modern standard: WORLD FACTS
107 People die every minute.
1 person dies every 40 seconds from suicide.
1 person dies every minute by murder.
1 person dies every 100 seconds in armed conflict.
87 fetus's are murdered every minute and they are not even included in the 107 who die every minute. Because some say they don't exist, therefore they don't count.
So what civilized, modern standard are you talking about?

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 142 of 190 (403180)
06-01-2007 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by iceage
06-01-2007 2:24 AM


Re: You belittle God
iceage writes:
Clearly the god described in the Bible is human-inspired and human-centered.
God is described in the Bible by humans that cannot understand His thoughts or His ways.
quote:
Isai 55:9 (KJV) For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
iceage writes:
The god described is essentially an alpha-male warrior god.
This is your opinion. You are entitled to your opinion and are free to believe anything you desire to believe.
I was just trying to answer the op as to whether "The God of the Bible is Evil". I have an opinion and so does everyone else. But because I believe it does not make it true. Same goes for everyone's opinion.
quote:
Deut 32:4 (KJ) He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
This declares God:
To be perfect in His work.
That all His ways are judgment.
That God is true.
That God is without sin.
That God is just and right.
How do I belittle God by making these statements I quoted from Deut 32:4?

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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