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Message 96 of 129 (400333)
05-12-2007 10:57 AM

What's in a museum, anyway?
No webpage found at provided URL: mu·se·um -nA building, place, or institution devoted to the acquisition, conservation, study, exhibition, and educational interpretation of objects having scientific, historical, or artistic value.
bold and color mine for emPHAsis ...
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I am not aware of any such objects in the displays mentioned. At least Carl Baugh has "objects" in his "Creation Evidence Museum" (even if they are frauds)
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Is this a new step in creationist fraud - skip the false facts altogether and go directly to the "interpretation"? Convenient when you don't have any valid facts to use eh?
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It's more like Hovinds fantasyland:
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Perhaps they qualify as artistic artifacts ...
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Message 107 of 129 (403072)
05-31-2007 6:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 102 by Minnemooseus
05-29-2007 9:41 PM

Re: Several postings at Panda's Thumb / Also youtube video
Thanks moose. Wonder how it would have gone with O'Reilly. Looks like Ham got beaten up but still emerged without scars.
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Message 118 of 129 (404909)
06-10-2007 1:55 PM 		Reply to: Message 116 by nator
06-10-2007 9:53 AM

Re: Just Seen on TV
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Should anyone be able to setup a 'museum' to promote their own warped viewpoint just because they passionately believe something to be true and have enough money to publicise their beliefs in this way?
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Yes, but no public fnding.
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If they are making blatant lies to attract gullible people into paying money for the experience than it amounts to fraud. Thus White Supremacists, holocast deniers, and creation "museums" that charge admission and pretend to educate could be prosecuted. This makes it different from "Dinoland" as an amusement park.
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No webpage found at provided URL: fraud -noun 1. deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
2. a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds.
3. any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time.
4. a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.
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It would be interesting to bring this to trial eh?
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Edited by RAZD, : I/It
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Message 121 of 129 (405119)
06-11-2007 12:35 PM 		Reply to: Message 120 by nator
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Re: Just Seen on TV
It has nothing to do with faith or beliefs (other than to attract the gullible and ignorant), it has everything to do with selling lies known falsehoods for personal profit and aggrandizement, and the intent of this "museum" is to convince (gullible) people that several known falsehoods are fact.
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quote:
Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law
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Main Entry: fraud
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin fraud- fraus
1 a : any act, expression, omission, or concealment calculated to deceive another to his or her disadvantage; specifically : a misrepresentation or concealment with reference to some fact material to a transaction that is made with knowledge of its falsity or in reckless disregard of its truth or falsity and with the intent to deceive another and that is reasonably relied on by the other who is injured thereby b : the affirmative defense of having acted in response to a fraud
2 : the crime or tort of committing fraud ”see also MISREPRESENTATION
NOTE: A tort action based on fraud is also referred to as an action of deceit.
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Legal def. #1a highlighted for empHASis. We are talking lies in exchange for cash.
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Edited by RAZD, : letting it lie. in color.
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06-11-2007 2:54 PM 		Reply to: Message 122 by Admin
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Re: Just Seen on TV
I'm not having much luck encouraging people to avoid inflammatory characterizations, which includes characterizing something as a lie or a person as a liar. To show something or someone incorrect only requires providing the evidence. To show something a lie or someone a liar requires information that is usually unavailable. Here at EvC Forum I encourage people to assume someone sincerely believes what they're saying unless there is clear evidence to the contrary.
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They can sincerely believe and still be aware that evidence contradicts their belief. I believe it is also possible to show intent to deceive in the works of people like Ken Ham and Don Batten.
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But point taken, I've ammended my last post, though you probably still won't like it
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Message 125 of 129 (406215)
06-17-2007 11:01 PM

Bump for WARTORIOUS
Welcome to the fray, WARTORIOUS
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Museum of creationism
I would be very interested in learning about creationism, do they really believe the world was made 5000 years ago?
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Indeed some do. Others 6000 years ago and some others as much as 10,000 years ago.
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I would love to go and have a look around the museum just for the entertainment factor. Its a little worrying that they say there extremely unorthodox theories are face as it breads ignorance. In my experience the people who attack evolution and related modern scientific theories don't have a good understanding of them.
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There are some links at the start of this thread to some virtual tours.
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