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Author Topic:   How should one interpret foul language?
susan8800 
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Message 11 of 87 (403085)
05-31-2007 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Woodsy
05-31-2007 3:16 PM


Hello all.
You are absolutely right in thinking that cursing is inappropriate.
It is used by savages who lack the ability to speak eloquently.
Your aesthetics-influenced dislike of hearing it shows a general propensity to knowledge, and proper conduct.
It is also an immoral act as it shows not the action of a thoughtful human being, but of a thoughtless dolt.
Thank you,
Susan
Edited by susan8800, : No reason given.

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susan8800 
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Message 12 of 87 (403086)
05-31-2007 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by New Cat's Eye
05-31-2007 3:50 PM


That is an unneccessary reaction. But if you want to judge people by the words they type, or the color of their skin, or whatever, then you have every right to do so.
The words of an individual reflect the thoughts of that person. If they cannot form sentences and speak correctly than there is no reason for them to speak.
In many cases all we have are the words of individuals, that is what we must base our judgments on.
NO! Just ignore it.
We can't ignore it, we must tell them to please spend their time educating themselves... Their argument/opinion is most likely irrelevant if there are any ideas involved.
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susan8800 
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Message 13 of 87 (403087)
05-31-2007 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by nator
05-31-2007 6:42 PM


You should try to refrain from using foul language.
"Speak with soundness of speech" (simplified)
-Titus 2:6, The Bible
There's just no substitute for a good, adult curse word when you've just hurt yourself, for example.
They are supposed to be shocking, and provide a lot of great emphasis and force to one's speech if used well.
You must practice self-control in life or else you are just an unthinking animal.
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susan8800 
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Message 14 of 87 (403088)
05-31-2007 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by crashfrog
05-31-2007 5:51 PM


Indeed, there really are no replacements for profanity. Bowdlerized Shakespeare just isn't the same. And there's really no substitute for what precisely is communicated when you tell someone to go fuck themselves.
Your interactions with others should not include your favorite little phrase. Self Control, Self Control.

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susan8800 
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Message 16 of 87 (403091)
05-31-2007 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by iano
05-31-2007 7:54 PM


Yes I am a Catholic.
Could you rationalise? From anyones perspective?
I said the following.
Because we are human beings and have the ability to think, we should:
1. Practice self-control; Do not indulge in pleasure for the sake of pleasure, act according to reasoned principles. (Like the ten commandments)
2. Speak with a purpose and do not use foul language, as it is a sure sign of a person who cares not of their own education and ability to convey ideas.
All humans should respect this, they are humans and not animal.

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susan8800 
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Message 19 of 87 (403095)
05-31-2007 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by jar
05-31-2007 8:01 PM


Re: Depends on Context.
I think one of the best posts I have ever made at EvC contained but a couple words, "Shit happens".
In context it was appropriate. Other phrasing would not have had the same impact. And a judicious use of profanity should be part and parcel of everyone's vocabulary.
The words that you use showed to those who read the post that you had little respect for learning how to use the English language to convey ideas as well as possible. It also showed a lack of self control and discipline.
So, it in fact does not at all depend on context. The usage of your ability to communicate as a human being was largely ignored and abused.

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susan8800 
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Message 21 of 87 (403098)
05-31-2007 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by iano
05-31-2007 8:08 PM


I wanted to tell you that I am an atheist, so your stereotype couldn't allow you to not actually think about my writing. Maybe I should have deceived you. That is a mistake on my part.
There is no "or else".
Well there is, but the main thing is that you learn how to act as a human being according to the virtue that you have the ability to communicate while using self control.
I used not my religion to tell you the truth: "as it is a sure sign of a person who cares not of their own education and ability to convey ideas."
I used my respect for knowledge. Academia maybe...
The "or else" is just:
Or else you have hurt yourself by not standing by the principles of an educated person who yearns for and uses knowledge/education.

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susan8800 
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Message 23 of 87 (403101)
05-31-2007 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by tudwell
05-31-2007 8:13 PM


Websters Dictionary 3rd Edition
Foul: disgusting to the senses by reason or decay, turpitude, filthiness, hateful, etc... base, vicious, scurrilous
Foul-mouthed: given to filthy or abusive speech
Edited by susan8800, : No reason given.

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susan8800 
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Message 24 of 87 (403102)
05-31-2007 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by jar
05-31-2007 8:20 PM


Re: Depends on Context.
You sure the usage was abused?
Yes, look at my last response to tudwell, the webster's dictionary definitions.
You have abused your own humanity.
A sad but true thought.

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susan8800 
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Message 27 of 87 (403106)
05-31-2007 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by jar
05-31-2007 8:30 PM


Re: Depends on Context.
Too funny.
You do not even see the humor of your posts.
I find no humor in trying to live as well as I can. I have a strong feeling that I will be judged when I die.
I find no humor in trying to be flawless. I find that this is a large purpose of living. I try to be Christlike, a little Christ. A Christian.

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susan8800 
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Message 30 of 87 (403110)
05-31-2007 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by tudwell
05-31-2007 8:33 PM


Re: Websters Dictionary 3rd Edition
I didn't ask what 'foul' means, I asked who decides what's foul. To some, the word "bitch" (eg) may be considered foul; however, others use it daily and see nothing wrong with the word. Which one is right? And how do you tell?
Those humans who use and study the English Language have supplied the general public with Webster's Dictionaries.
It is foul, a slang word, UNLESS it is used with seriousness by one who refers to its actual meaning. A female dog... I have heard it used correctly before and with purpose, and self control, and it deserves respect.
The f-word is not in my dictionary because it has no purpose being part of the communication of human beings. I could look up the other notorious abuses of the English language, but it seems that it has been demonstrated that a human should not use foul language by now...
Most foul language is considered by those who know and study the English language as not being part of language at all. Although newer dictionaries may have the words in them.

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susan8800 
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Message 31 of 87 (403111)
05-31-2007 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by jar
05-31-2007 8:37 PM


Re: Websters Dictionary 3rd Edition
Refer to my reply to tudwell, it is well thought out and shows accurate reasoning.
Bitch definitely depends on context. In many cases it is the only appropriate word to use.
There is only one meaning to the word, the foul usage of the word is an abuse of one's humanity.
Edited by susan8800, : No reason given.

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susan8800 
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Message 32 of 87 (403112)
05-31-2007 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by iano
05-31-2007 8:37 PM


Please read the real content of my post.
If you understand that what I said was right, then a response is, of course, unnecessary.
Legalist/Catholic = same thing.
It's what struck me straight off...honest
I don't see any connection. I could be just a Christian, any denomination really. Besides maybe Mormon.
I could also have been simply an individual who respects my own humanity.
I could have also been familiar with the writings of a philosopher Immanuel Kant, as he wrote extensively on morality, and how to live properly as a human being.
Your stereotype was off the mark.

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susan8800 
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Message 35 of 87 (403116)
05-31-2007 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by iano
05-31-2007 8:51 PM


Re: Depends on Context.
Roman Catholicism dripping from the pores here. Keep on getting your act together all the days of your life and then maybe....(I said maybe)...you will be saved.
All humans should strive to live rightly.
Your connection to Catholicism is not real.

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susan8800 
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Message 37 of 87 (403118)
05-31-2007 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by jar
05-31-2007 8:52 PM


Re: Websters Dictionary 3rd Edition
Main Entry: 1bitch
Pronunciation: 'bich
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English bicche, from Old English bicce
1 : the female of the dog or some other carnivorous mammals
2 a : a lewd or immoral woman b : a malicious, spiteful, or overbearing woman -- sometimes used as a generalized term of abuse
3 : something that is extremely difficult, objectionable, or unpleasant
4 : COMPLAINT
As it says : "sometimes used as a generalized term of abuse."
Funny, it matches precisely with the definitions that I provided for the words foul and foul-mouthed.
Foul language is an abuse of communication and is therefore an abuse of one's humanity.
Sorry, there is no way around it.

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