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susan8800 
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Message 16 of 87 (403091)
05-31-2007 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by iano
05-31-2007 7:54 PM


Yes I am a Catholic.
Could you rationalise? From anyones perspective?
I said the following.
Because we are human beings and have the ability to think, we should:
1. Practice self-control; Do not indulge in pleasure for the sake of pleasure, act according to reasoned principles. (Like the ten commandments)
2. Speak with a purpose and do not use foul language, as it is a sure sign of a person who cares not of their own education and ability to convey ideas.
All humans should respect this, they are humans and not animal.

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jar
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Message 17 of 87 (403093)
05-31-2007 8:01 PM
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05-31-2007 3:16 PM


Depends on Context.
I think one of the best posts I have ever made at EvC contained but a couple words, "Shit happens".
In context it was appropriate. Other phrasing would not have had the same impact. And a judicious use of profanity should be part and parcel of everyone's vocabulary.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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iano
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Message 18 of 87 (403094)
05-31-2007 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by susan8800
05-31-2007 7:59 PM


quote:
Yes I am a Catholic.
I asked because I knew. It hadn't been clarified in this thread so I just wanted to "smoke out" that legalism was the perspective you were coming from.
As most should know by now: eg.....
Catholicism = Law Abiding
1. Practice self-control; Do not indulge in pleasure for the sake of pleasure, act according to reasoned principles. (Like the ten commandments)
....or else

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susan8800 
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Message 19 of 87 (403095)
05-31-2007 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by jar
05-31-2007 8:01 PM


Re: Depends on Context.
I think one of the best posts I have ever made at EvC contained but a couple words, "Shit happens".
In context it was appropriate. Other phrasing would not have had the same impact. And a judicious use of profanity should be part and parcel of everyone's vocabulary.
The words that you use showed to those who read the post that you had little respect for learning how to use the English language to convey ideas as well as possible. It also showed a lack of self control and discipline.
So, it in fact does not at all depend on context. The usage of your ability to communicate as a human being was largely ignored and abused.

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tudwell
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Message 20 of 87 (403096)
05-31-2007 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by susan8800
05-31-2007 7:59 PM


Speak with a purpose and do not use foul language
Who decides what's foul, susan?

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susan8800 
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Message 21 of 87 (403098)
05-31-2007 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by iano
05-31-2007 8:08 PM


I wanted to tell you that I am an atheist, so your stereotype couldn't allow you to not actually think about my writing. Maybe I should have deceived you. That is a mistake on my part.
There is no "or else".
Well there is, but the main thing is that you learn how to act as a human being according to the virtue that you have the ability to communicate while using self control.
I used not my religion to tell you the truth: "as it is a sure sign of a person who cares not of their own education and ability to convey ideas."
I used my respect for knowledge. Academia maybe...
The "or else" is just:
Or else you have hurt yourself by not standing by the principles of an educated person who yearns for and uses knowledge/education.

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jar
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Message 22 of 87 (403099)
05-31-2007 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by susan8800
05-31-2007 8:13 PM


Re: Depends on Context.
The words that you use showed to those who read the post that you had little respect for learning how to use the English language to convey ideas as well as possible. It also showed a lack of self control and discipline.
Hell yeah. Damn right. Hold my beer and watch this.
So, it in fact does not at all depend on context. The usage of your ability to communicate as a human being was largely ignored and abused.
LOL. The usage of my ability to communicate was largely ignored and abused?
You sure the usage was abused?
Oh well, Shit Happens.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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susan8800 
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Message 23 of 87 (403101)
05-31-2007 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by tudwell
05-31-2007 8:13 PM


Websters Dictionary 3rd Edition
Foul: disgusting to the senses by reason or decay, turpitude, filthiness, hateful, etc... base, vicious, scurrilous
Foul-mouthed: given to filthy or abusive speech
Edited by susan8800, : No reason given.

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susan8800 
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Message 24 of 87 (403102)
05-31-2007 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by jar
05-31-2007 8:20 PM


Re: Depends on Context.
You sure the usage was abused?
Yes, look at my last response to tudwell, the webster's dictionary definitions.
You have abused your own humanity.
A sad but true thought.

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jar
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Message 25 of 87 (403104)
05-31-2007 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by susan8800
05-31-2007 8:25 PM


Re: Depends on Context.
Too funny.
You do not even see the humor of your posts.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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tudwell
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Message 26 of 87 (403105)
05-31-2007 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by susan8800
05-31-2007 8:23 PM


Re: Websters Dictionary 3rd Edition
susan8800 writes:
Foul: disgusting to the senses by reason or decay, turpitude, filthiness, hateful, etc... base, vicious, scurrilous
Foul-mouthed: given to filthy or abusive speech
I didn't ask what 'foul' means, I asked who decides what's foul. To some, the word "bitch" (eg) may be considered foul; however, others use it daily and see nothing wrong with the word. Which one is right? And how do you tell?

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susan8800 
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Message 27 of 87 (403106)
05-31-2007 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by jar
05-31-2007 8:30 PM


Re: Depends on Context.
Too funny.
You do not even see the humor of your posts.
I find no humor in trying to live as well as I can. I have a strong feeling that I will be judged when I die.
I find no humor in trying to be flawless. I find that this is a large purpose of living. I try to be Christlike, a little Christ. A Christian.

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jar
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Message 28 of 87 (403107)
05-31-2007 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by tudwell
05-31-2007 8:33 PM


Re: Websters Dictionary 3rd Edition
Bitch definitely depends on context. In many cases it is the only appropriate word to use.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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iano
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Message 29 of 87 (403109)
05-31-2007 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by susan8800
05-31-2007 8:20 PM


wanted to tell you that I am an atheist, so your stereotype couldn't allow you to not actually think about my writing. Maybe I should have deceived you. That is a mistake on my part.
??
Who "you are" came across straight away. Like. I drop by here once in a blue moon (ask anyone) and of all the Religions in all the world that were available to me I had you pegged as
Legalist/Catholic = same thing.
It's what struck me straight off...honest

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susan8800 
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Message 30 of 87 (403110)
05-31-2007 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by tudwell
05-31-2007 8:33 PM


Re: Websters Dictionary 3rd Edition
I didn't ask what 'foul' means, I asked who decides what's foul. To some, the word "bitch" (eg) may be considered foul; however, others use it daily and see nothing wrong with the word. Which one is right? And how do you tell?
Those humans who use and study the English Language have supplied the general public with Webster's Dictionaries.
It is foul, a slang word, UNLESS it is used with seriousness by one who refers to its actual meaning. A female dog... I have heard it used correctly before and with purpose, and self control, and it deserves respect.
The f-word is not in my dictionary because it has no purpose being part of the communication of human beings. I could look up the other notorious abuses of the English language, but it seems that it has been demonstrated that a human should not use foul language by now...
Most foul language is considered by those who know and study the English language as not being part of language at all. Although newer dictionaries may have the words in them.

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