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susan8800 
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Message 31 of 87 (403111)
05-31-2007 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by jar
05-31-2007 8:37 PM


Re: Websters Dictionary 3rd Edition
Refer to my reply to tudwell, it is well thought out and shows accurate reasoning.
Bitch definitely depends on context. In many cases it is the only appropriate word to use.
There is only one meaning to the word, the foul usage of the word is an abuse of one's humanity.
Edited by susan8800, : No reason given.

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susan8800 
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Message 32 of 87 (403112)
05-31-2007 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by iano
05-31-2007 8:37 PM


Please read the real content of my post.
If you understand that what I said was right, then a response is, of course, unnecessary.
Legalist/Catholic = same thing.
It's what struck me straight off...honest
I don't see any connection. I could be just a Christian, any denomination really. Besides maybe Mormon.
I could also have been simply an individual who respects my own humanity.
I could have also been familiar with the writings of a philosopher Immanuel Kant, as he wrote extensively on morality, and how to live properly as a human being.
Your stereotype was off the mark.

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iano
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Message 33 of 87 (403113)
05-31-2007 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by susan8800
05-31-2007 8:36 PM


Re: Depends on Context.
quote:
I find no humor in trying to live as well as I can. I have a strong feeling that I will be judged when I die.
Roman Catholicism dripping from the pores here. Keep on getting your act together all the days of your life and then maybe....(I said maybe)...you will be saved.
quote:
I find no humor in trying to be flawless. I find that this is a large purpose of living. I try to be Christlike, a little Christ. A Christian.
Humor in flawlessness??!!! Why its the very first thing to go!!

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jar
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Message 34 of 87 (403114)
05-31-2007 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by susan8800
05-31-2007 8:45 PM


Re: Websters Dictionary 3rd Edition
There is only one meaning to the word, the foul usage of the word is an abuse of one's humanity.
So you are bitching about some uses of the word bitch which the historical reference Webster's Dictonary defines as:
Main Entry: 1bitch
Pronunciation: 'bich
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English bicche, from Old English bicce
1 : the female of the dog or some other carnivorous mammals
2 a : a lewd or immoral woman b : a malicious, spiteful, or overbearing woman -- sometimes used as a generalized term of abuse
3 : something that is extremely difficult, objectionable, or unpleasant
4 : COMPLAINT
Is that your bitch?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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susan8800 
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Message 35 of 87 (403116)
05-31-2007 8:54 PM
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05-31-2007 8:51 PM


Re: Depends on Context.
Roman Catholicism dripping from the pores here. Keep on getting your act together all the days of your life and then maybe....(I said maybe)...you will be saved.
All humans should strive to live rightly.
Your connection to Catholicism is not real.

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tudwell
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Message 36 of 87 (403117)
05-31-2007 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by susan8800
05-31-2007 8:43 PM


Re: Websters Dictionary 3rd Edition
Those humans who use and study the English Language have supplied the general public with Webster's Dictionaries.
And the reason they're always updating dictionaries is because words change. The reason they change? The people speaking them use them differently. A hundred years ago 'nigger' was just an everyday word for a black person. Now it's extremely offensive, and not just to black people. It's offensive because the majority of people speaking English believe it to be so; they assign it its meaning.
And it goes the other way, too. The Catcher in the Rye was banned by many schools because of its use of the word 'fuck', which in the fifties was highly inappropriate. Nowadays, it ain't so bad. It's all over books and movies. You even hear it on TV from time to time, unbleeped.
It's not old, rich, highbrow "scholars" who control a language. It's everyday people. The "scholars" merely record it.

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susan8800 
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Message 37 of 87 (403118)
05-31-2007 9:01 PM
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05-31-2007 8:52 PM


Re: Websters Dictionary 3rd Edition
Main Entry: 1bitch
Pronunciation: 'bich
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English bicche, from Old English bicce
1 : the female of the dog or some other carnivorous mammals
2 a : a lewd or immoral woman b : a malicious, spiteful, or overbearing woman -- sometimes used as a generalized term of abuse
3 : something that is extremely difficult, objectionable, or unpleasant
4 : COMPLAINT
As it says : "sometimes used as a generalized term of abuse."
Funny, it matches precisely with the definitions that I provided for the words foul and foul-mouthed.
Foul language is an abuse of communication and is therefore an abuse of one's humanity.
Sorry, there is no way around it.

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Message 38 of 87 (403119)
05-31-2007 9:03 PM
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05-31-2007 8:50 PM


You aren't smart enought boys
Chris or Charlie..which ever little brat this is....GO AWAY.
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    jar
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    Message 39 of 87 (403120)
    05-31-2007 9:03 PM
    Reply to: Message 37 by susan8800
    05-31-2007 9:01 PM


    Re: Websters Dictionary 3rd Edition
    You have no idea how funny this is do you?

    Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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    crashfrog
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    Message 40 of 87 (403121)
    05-31-2007 9:04 PM
    Reply to: Message 14 by susan8800
    05-31-2007 7:53 PM


    Your interactions with others should not include your favorite little phrase. Self Control, Self Control.
    I guess I don't understand. Did you think I used that phrase in the imperative voice? That I was telling Woodsy what to do?
    That couldn't be farther from the truth. I was using an example. But I'd extend the same suggestion of a maturity problem to you, as well. Is there something about that word that makes you act like you're 8 years old?

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    Coragyps
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    Message 41 of 87 (403122)
    05-31-2007 9:05 PM
    Reply to: Message 35 by susan8800
    05-31-2007 8:54 PM


    Re: Depends on Context.
    All humans should strive to live rightly.
    Sounds good to me. I even attempt to do so. But "living rightly" has very little to do with whether I say "shit!!!" when I get one of these Texas grass burs stuck in my finger when I'm pulling weeds. And I do "excersise self-control" - I stifle it when I am able when small children are around.
    *****************************************
    An interesting thing I heard years ago that I've never really confirmed: the Bad Cusswords in England and the US tend to be body functions, body parts, and, I guess, body wastes. The Bad Cusswords in Southern Europe and Latin America tend to be "blasphemies" - goddammit and the like.
    Anybody have anecdotes to back that up or refute it?

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    iano
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    Message 42 of 87 (403123)
    05-31-2007 9:05 PM
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    05-31-2007 8:54 PM


    Re: Depends on Context.
    All humans should strive to live rightly.
    And if they don't then...
    Your connection to Catholicism is not real.
    ...what awaits?? Why not spell it out??

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    crashfrog
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    Message 43 of 87 (403124)
    05-31-2007 9:07 PM
    Reply to: Message 11 by susan8800
    05-31-2007 7:42 PM


    It is used by savages who lack the ability to speak eloquently.
    To the contrary; many of the great writers of the English language were both deeply eloquent and often profane.
    Would you accuse Shakespeare of lacking eloquence, simply because he wrote "Out, damn'd spot"? Then I submit to you that your immature pearl-clutching at the slightest hint of a vulgar phrase has completely clouded your judgment.
    It's indicative of a lack of maturity; it's the behavior of a child.

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    Coragyps
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    Message 44 of 87 (403127)
    05-31-2007 9:14 PM
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    05-31-2007 9:03 PM


    Re: You aren't smart enought boys
    DAMMIT! SHIT! I thought we had a live one!

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    Rahvin
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    Message 45 of 87 (403130)
    05-31-2007 9:23 PM
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    05-31-2007 7:47 PM


    The words of an individual reflect the thoughts of that person. If they cannot form sentences and speak correctly than there is no reason for them to speak.
    In many cases all we have are the words of individuals, that is what we must base our judgments on.
    "Speak correctly?" You mean, using words as per their definitions, and using proper grammar? Sure!
    What does that have to do with sweat words?
    We can't ignore it, we must tell them to please spend their time educating themselves... Their argument/opinion is most likely irrelevant if there are any ideas involved.
    Horseshit. Bollocks. An arguments validity is NOT predicated, in any way, shape, or form, on the presence or lack of certain words some members of society have identified as "profane." If I say "the sky is blue" or "the sky is fucking blue," is the second statement less valid because of the inclusion of an expletive?

    Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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