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Author Topic:   How should one interpret foul language?
Woodsy
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Message 1 of 87 (403038)
05-31-2007 3:16 PM


I find I have an aversion to foul language. It is mainly esthetic, I suppose, but my reaction is to consider the speaker a jerk. I find it particularly irritating when it comes from folk who prate about morality.
English has lots of adjectives and adverbs, so there is no need for foul language when one wants to make a strong point.
Fortunately, this is not often a problem on this discussion board. It's quite a treat to read here after visiting other boards.
What do others think about this? Is it proper to object when it happens?
Edited by Woodsy, : grammar check

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Woodsy
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From: Burlington, Canada
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Message 4 of 87 (403051)
05-31-2007 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by LinearAq
05-31-2007 3:34 PM


Re: What makes it....
Why is it that a particular word usage changes the value of the third evaluation to be more strongly negative than the first two?
Interesting question. I heard a program on the radio the other day that said something about how, in English, french-derived words are used for formal occasions and anglo-saxon words for vulgar ones. If the prof had said "Your thesis is a bunch of ordure.", it might have sounded almost elegant.

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Woodsy
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Message 51 of 87 (403170)
06-01-2007 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by anastasia
05-31-2007 10:31 PM


There are a few people who can use a well placed swear word to punctuate a conversation and sound more savvy than the rest.
Quite right. It's the mindless use I find tiresome.
It's rather like vibrato in singing. Done occasionally, with artistry, it can enhance the music. Done continuously, it can obscure the music.
Sometimes, though, vulgarity is more a matter of laziness in language (and in thinking?). In LineagAG's example of the hypothetical professor who says "Your thesis is a bunch of shit.", only the prof's disapproval is communicated. If he had bothered to make actual criticisms, something useful would have been communicated, and the prof would not have lowered his own dignity.
Does one encounter the phrase "infra dig." anymore? It used to be quite common but I've not seen it recently. It's short for "infra dignitas" and refers to something that would lower one's dignity, or entitlement to respect, if one did it.
What actions might be infra dig is a matter of social custom, or manners. I was once asked why one should bother with manners. My reply was that they make it possible to stand having other people around. I haven't seen any studies, but my impression is that societies with careful manners are also those with high population densities (eg Japan). I wonder if there is indeed a good correlation there.
[aside] I once mentioned this idea (preserving one's dignity) to one of the boys in our Scout troop. He was surprised anyone thought he was entitled to any, since he was still young. [/aside]
I merely prefer elegant writing, that's all. If someone else doesn't, it isn't that important.

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Woodsy
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Message 65 of 87 (403464)
06-03-2007 7:20 AM
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06-01-2007 9:54 AM


It depends on context. If someone acts in an obnoxious way in a setting where that is not usual, they should not be surprised if someone else takes notice. In another setting, it might not attract any attention.
Anyone would be surprised at obscenities included in a presentation at a conference; no-one would be surprised to hear them in conversations late at night in a bar.

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