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herrmann
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Message 66 of 71 (403539)
06-03-2007 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by aiguy
12-30-2006 5:08 AM


you do not necessarily have to say that machanical processes are intelligent because they do not have a soul.
According to dictionary.com, intelligence is defined as " 1. capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc. ".
Understanding requires conscious thinking, and mechanical processes cannot reason outside of specific information imputted into them through programming. Also, these programs cannot think, but only have the illusion of thought.
An analogy of this would be an array of lightbulbs. By flicking on certain lightbulbs, you may be able to spell your name. You could give a computer instructions as to when to flick on certain lightbulbs, but it would never have a stream of conscious thought.

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herrmann
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Message 68 of 71 (403631)
06-04-2007 3:49 PM
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06-03-2007 9:15 PM


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Says you. Many contend that, indeed, a computer could have a stream of conscious thought. And indeed, if a computer could fool everyone into believing that it did, how would that be different? How can you prove that you're not just fooling everyone with an outward simulation of conscious thought?
you can prove that you are not using an outward representation of conscious thought by consciously thinking. If a machine does have conscious thought, it is unable to manifest it into action, and thus it is meaningles as it has no pupose.
By my understanding as long as the computer does not have the ability to truely understand this programming, it does not have intelligence.

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