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Author Topic:   Religion does not give a solid basis to morality
miosim
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Message 11 of 20 (403828)
06-05-2007 10:19 AM


Hijacking of morality by religion
I already posted the following comparison of Religion (Christian) moral values vs. Human moral values, on the Bible Study/"The God of the Bible is Evil" thread on this forum. I just repeat it here because this thread is better fit to my comments.
"The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be hijacking of morality by religion.”
Arthur C Clarke
The main thesis of the old testaments is that the relationship between Cod and Human is as follow: Human must fears and loves mighty God, but God has no obligation to his creation. In this God-centric universe desire to please God is a main goal of human. It overrules all other considerations, like relationship with family, friend or with the rest of people.
The collection of God commands and wishes (interpreted or misinterpreted) - form the RELIGIONS VALUES.
In contrast, over the time, the human-centric views were developed. In these views the human relationship with other humans is the primary goal and everything else is secondary. The collections of human-centric values form the HUMAN MORAL VALUES.
In some cases the religion and moral values are overlapped but often are contradict to each others. The difference could be illustrated by the following examples.
1. Gen: Ch22 God tests Abraham
God wanted to test Abraham's loyalty and order Abraham to kill his son. Abraham was ready to do it, but an angel stop him.
According to Religion Value you should have no second thought in following God’s command, even God will demand to kill your son or daughter or any innocent people.
According to Human Moral Value only criminals test loyalty this way.
2. Due: CH 20:16, 17 Special rules for war
“You will take cities in the country that God is giving you. Then you must kill everything that is alive, people and animals. You must kill completely all the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perrizites, Hivites and Jebusites. The Lord your God has told you to do this.”
I see in this example the similarity with the previous one where God test Abraham loyalty. The only difference is that an Angel didn’t stop the hand of the Israelis and mass murder was committed.
According to Human Moral Value there was not known war criminals that comes even close to what was described in this chapter.
4. Jos: CH:2 Rahab helps two men of Israel
This prostitute saved her life and life of her family by betraying people of her nation.
She was rewarded for that, but all men and women, young and old people of her country were killed.
So, According to Religion Value doesn’t matter how low you failed as a human, doesn’t matter that you lied and betrayed your people that lead to their mass murder, as long you please mighty God.
Human Moral disgusts this behavior.
5. The book of Job
God want to proof to Satan that there is none like Job in the earth a perfect and an upright man. And of sake of argument, he destroyed Job’s life and killed his children and God with Satan had observed a result of this experiment.
Job was subjected by God to severe suffering, just to demonstrate to the Satan the loyalty of the true believers. Job pass the test, and for that God fully reworded Job’s suffering by giving him more wealth and more children. God didn’t return to Job his children, but according to Bible, wealth and good relationship with a God meant more than human lives. Job’s story is one of the fundamental of the Religion Value.
According to Human Moral, this type of experiment allowed only on microbes.
Edited by miosim, : No reason given.

  
miosim
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Message 14 of 20 (404270)
06-07-2007 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by AZPaul3
06-05-2007 1:02 PM


Religion based Old Testament HAVE NO MORAL RIGHT TO TEACH MORALITY
What you really want to challenge is the religionists’ notion that religion provides the only foundation for humanity’s moral or ethical standpoint.
My main point is that any religion based on Old Testament HAVE NO MORAL RIGHT TO TEACH MORALITY. The words are cheap and "Love thy neighbor as thyself" don’t compensate for the atrocities committed by their God. Moral is taught by examples not by words. Hitler and Stalin said a lot of good words too.

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