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Message 3 of 304 (403966)
06-06-2007 3:50 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Stile
06-05-2007 4:13 PM


Johnny B Goode
What does Meh mean?

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Phat
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Message 290 of 304 (848838)
02-16-2019 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 288 by ringo
02-16-2019 10:46 AM


Re: Goodness
ringo writes:
If there was a Grand Intelligence somewhere in the universe, no doubt its mind would be the product of mindless chemicals too.
No doubt? Your lack of imagination is noted.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 292 of 304 (848842)
02-16-2019 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 291 by ringo
02-16-2019 11:19 AM


Re: Goodness
It can, however, be useful when discussing a Grand Intelligence...unless you mean simply an intelligence more evolved than other carbon-based life forms. If you mean an intelligence capable of creating all things seen and unseen, chemicals are hardly the default assumption. Oh yeah I forgot----you tend to imagine that In The Beginning was chemicals! No wonder you limit yourself. You Grovel at the Altar Of Evidence. And you seem to view Belief almost as the Anti-Evidence.
But maybe thats just my observation. I appreciate evidence, but it is hardly a prerequisite for my world view.
In fact, I myself summarized my belief system:
Normally, in every instance, reality does not equate or involve fantasy.
Gambling is a fantasy. BigFoot is a fantasy. (mythos)
Loch Ness. Elvis being alive.
Friendly or hostile Aliens is mid-level consideration, and may or may not be real.
God, Creator of all seen and unseen, the One whom I was introduced to through church, is the one exception. God can transcend both reality and fantasy.
Anything is possible with God. There are no limits.
Thus, as Grand Intelligence, God writes the very rules of physics. God defines words. God made the original chemicals and is not bound by a need to be composed of them. God is imagination writ large.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 297 of 304 (848959)
02-19-2019 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by ringo
02-16-2019 11:45 AM


Re: Goodness
ringo writes:
A "more-evolved" intelligence is plausible. An intelligence capable of creating all things seen and unseen is pure imagination...
Anything claimed to be supernatural *must* be part of our imagination. I prefer to call it speculation. Adult "stories" (mythos) are more detail oriented than children's stories because we know more facts and ideas about the world. If society simply waits for *evidence* of God, we will likely stand at the altar forever.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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