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Phat
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Message 91 of 325 (404760)
06-09-2007 4:55 PM
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06-09-2007 4:37 PM


Re: Facing Inevitable Possibilities
When working with some of the inner city youth that all too often face
a future involving prison time, I have found that these idealistic young people do not fear death...(they are too brash if anything) yet they ironically fear life!
If you are teaching me one thing, it is that life is not to be feared!

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Buzsaw
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Message 92 of 325 (404762)
06-09-2007 5:14 PM
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06-09-2007 12:07 PM


Re: Overall Health
RAZD writes:
I don't see any programs specifially directed to lymphoma treatments.
The reason there isn't is the simple fact that the science and methodology of wholistic which treats the body, not the symptom/disease. While some treatments, diets, and practices may be geared to emphasis on a symptom, nearly all of this type of healtcare practice has nothing but good side effects on the whole system.
I can assure you that what you are advised by Dr Whitaker can do nothing but enhance your likelihood of an enhanced quality of life and lengthening of your life.
Thousands of patents of places like Wellness Institute have been terminal patients of conventional MDs who have been sent home to die. When everything else fails, often as a last resort they go to the alternatives. The problem is often they've advance too far to save whereas if they had come sooner they could have been helped and possibly cured.
Cancer is caused primarily by eating and other lifestyle related habits and practices. So detoxifying, cleansing and rejuvinating the body systems is paramount to wellness. Your immune system is being destroyed by the conventional treatment whereas it is bolstered and made fit to do it's purpose with alternatives. According to Dr Whitaker and others claim that even when chemo and antibiotics are administered, probiotics helps destroy the bad bacteria and to simultaneously build up the suppy of good bacteria, thus the term probiotic. The science on these organisms is becoming significant.
Much of what I am saying and what Dr Whitaker is doing is being practiced in Europe, Japan and other nations like even Mexico where the profit motive is not so much the drive factor as in the US.
Finally, don't allow the money driven healthcare establishment in the US to add you to the hundreds of thousands who die yearly due to the effects of the pharmaceuticals. I'm not telling you to believe anything I've said, but to you, my friend, I'm saying you need, for health's sake you need to visit some like Wellness Institute if possible or at least do some intensive research on your own into this stuff. A lot of it is right there on the www.
Gotta run. No time to preview, so please excuse any errors.
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RAZD
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Message 93 of 325 (404764)
06-09-2007 5:22 PM
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06-09-2007 5:14 PM


Re: Overall Health
The reason there isn't is the simple fact that the science and methodology of wholistic which treats the body, ...
Show me the results of a double blind study that shows positive results, then show me replication of those results by skeptics. That is the standard I use for evaluating whether there is a benefit or not: evidence.
Enjoy.
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molbiogirl
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Message 94 of 325 (404789)
06-09-2007 7:28 PM
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06-09-2007 1:38 PM


Re: Overall Health
All joined up!
I chose:
World Community Grid
That's the right one, yes?

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RAZD
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Message 95 of 325 (404790)
06-09-2007 7:34 PM
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06-09-2007 7:28 PM


Re: Overall Health
that's it. Did you join Team EvC?

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Message 96 of 325 (404792)
06-09-2007 7:46 PM
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06-09-2007 7:34 PM


Re: Overall Health
Uh oh.
I didn't see that button.
Can I go back and do that?

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Message 97 of 325 (404794)
06-09-2007 7:58 PM
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06-09-2007 7:46 PM


WorldGrid
yes you can join anytime. Go to the HIV Cancer Diabetes MDA and more - Solve on your computer and it should tell you how to sign up and find TeamEvC.
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molbiogirl
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Message 98 of 325 (404795)
06-09-2007 8:04 PM
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06-09-2007 7:58 PM


Re: WorldGrid
Weee!
Did it!

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Buzsaw
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Message 99 of 325 (404810)
06-09-2007 10:24 PM
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06-09-2007 5:22 PM


Re: Double Blind Study
RAZD writes:
Show me the results of a double blind study that shows positive results, then show me replication of those results by skeptics. That is the standard I use for evaluating whether there is a benefit or not: evidence.
The problem with double blind studies is that it's hard to do one on the wholistic approach which treats the body by detoxification, building up the immune system, overall diet via nutrition and multiple suplements et al.
There's a whole lot out there on the web to research. The following is just a segment of just one of a number of interesting articles listed on the link below in case you're interested.
Btw, though this message isn't about Dr Whitaker His story is somewhat like a double blind study. He once was an avid conventional heart surgeon who had no knowledge or interest in alternatives. I listen to him often on many health related subjects and he regularly refers to studies and peer review studies to support things he does and advocates in his naturopath clinic. He's a regular on Deborah Ray's national health talk show which we get on our local AM radio.
Combined Approach
By engaging a professional who can guide you through the complementary process, you will obtain the best advice on nutrition, self care and herbs to support you and your choices. This does not mean conflict with your medical specialist. It may be best for you to receive medical treatment and biological therapy at the same time.
In Chinese hospitals, where herbs are part of main stream treatment, few patients experience side effects from chemotherapy or radiotherapy due to the herbs they receive at the same time. This knowledge is available in Canada. The professional herbalist or naturopath can also look after your needs after treatment when regular medical practice has nothing to offer. Of the hundreds of herbs that have been used in cancer treatment a number stand out as being important for prevention as well as for use once the condition has been diagnosed.
Anti-Cancer Herbs
In terms of the medical research that confirms its role as an anti-cancer herb, the leader might be aged garlic extract. This is the Japanese discovery that led the way in garlic studies. Aged garlic extract and its constituents SAC and SAMC have demonstrated anti-cancer action in bladder tumors, neuroblastomas (cancer of the nervous system), skin cancer, breast cancer, colon cancer, esophageal cancer, stomach and lung cancer as well as toxin-induced mutations in cells and DNA. The report of aged garlic extracts inhibition of prostate cancer at the Memorial Slone-Kettering Cancer Center in 1997 was seen as an important medical discovery.
Further studies have shown that green tea has significant anti-cancer properties. Green tea, like so many herbs, contains natural biological modifiers and anti-cancer phytochemicals. In this case analysis has focused on the constituent epigallo-catechin-3-gallat, which has a specific action that targets prostate cancer.
Each herb has a unique affinity for different systems and functions of the body.
Matching the needs of an individual to the right combination of herbs for them requires skill and experience. Few professionals will give a single herb to a patient. As there are something in the order of one hundred different types of cancer, the need for specialist help becomes self evident.
Herbs can address the fundamental health processes of the body. All chronic disease involves dysfunction of the regulation of oxidation and reduction, pH, ionization and mineral and vitamin levels. Disturbance of these vital processes will effect the enzyme functions on which we depend every second of our lives. Your immune system also depends on these regulation processes. A health professional can look at your individual needs and advise you on which herbs you need to restore these systems and with them your health.
There have been many successful uses of herbs to treat cancer. So far, pharmaceutical companies have screened more than 25,000 plants for anti-cancer drugs. This should tell us that looking for single ingredients to attack cancer may be missing the point. Just as cancers are a product of disturbances in the body, so herbs can correct the disturbances as well as control many cancers.
However such is the seriousness of cancer that informed professional advice is always needed. This is the great opportunity for true biological therapy.
Millions of lives depend on it.
Antioxidants
As cancer is often associated with high levels of free radicals produced by oxidation and toxic carcinogens, herbs which act as powerful free radical scavengers are always valuable.
These include:
Alfalfa
Comfrey
Asparagus
Dandelion leaves
Ginseng
Gotu kola
Goldenseal
Grape seed extract
Irish moss
Parsley
Walnuts
Watercress
Wheat sprouts
Tumor-Fighting Herbs
Some herbs are specil'icalK anti-neoplastic. That is they preveni the formation or destroy tumor cells. Some arc reported in the literature to arrest the spread of malignancy. These include:
Bayberry
Cleavers
Comfrey
Condurango
Dandelion
Echinacea
Celandine
Mistletoe
Myrrh
Plantain
Poke root
Queen's delight
Red clover
Periwinkle
Thuja
Wild violet
Yellow dock
The Canadian Association of Herbal Practioners (403) 270 0936 or your provincial naturopathic association can advise you which of their members are suited for your needs.
Rowan Hamilton is a lecturer in Botanical Medicine at the West Coast College of Naturopathic Medicine.
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Message 100 of 325 (404819)
06-09-2007 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Buzsaw
06-09-2007 10:24 PM


Re: Double Blind Study
quote:
As cancer is often associated with high levels of free radicals produced by oxidation and toxic carcinogens,
With what method of inquiry was this mechanism discovered?
Where can I view the data? Has it been accepted by the greater scientific community?
Upon what basis do you consider it accurate?
quote:
herbs which act as powerful free radical scavengers are always valuable.
With what method of inquiry was this mechanism discovered for each of the herbs you list?
Where can I view the data? Has it been accepted by the greater scientific community?
Upon what basis do you consider it accurate?

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molbiogirl
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Message 101 of 325 (404822)
06-09-2007 11:54 PM
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06-09-2007 10:24 PM


Re: Double Blind Study
The problem with double blind studies is that it's hard to do one on the wholistic approach which treats the body by detoxification, building up the immune system, overall diet via nutrition and multiple suplements et al.
Why would devising a double blind study be difficult?
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RAZD
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Message 102 of 325 (404885)
06-10-2007 11:03 AM
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06-09-2007 10:24 PM


Re: Double Blind Study
The problem with double blind studies is that it's hard to do one on the wholistic approach which treats the body by detoxification, building up the immune system, overall diet via nutrition and multiple suplements et al.
I'll agree with molbiogirl here, there is nothing scientific in medicine that cannot be covered in some way by a double blind study, and this is the surest way to show actual effects of the different methods.
I am participating in one now so that others may benefit from new knowledge on what works and what doesn't. This is the way learning is advanced.
His story is somewhat like a double blind study. He once was an avid conventional heart surgeon who had no knowledge or interest in alternatives. I listen to him often on many health related subjects and he regularly refers to studies and peer review studies to support things he does and advocates in his naturopath clinic.
I don't see how this relates to a double blind study at all.
Blinded experiment - Wikipedia
quote:
The double blind method is an important part of the scientific method, used to prevent research outcomes from being 'influenced' by either the placebo effect or the observer bias. Blinded research is an important tool in many fields of research, from medicine, to psychology and the social sciences, to forensics.
Single-blind trials are especially risky in psychology and social science research, where the experimenter has an expectation of what the outcome should be, and may consciously or subconsciously influence the behavior of the subject.
Double-blind describes an especially stringent way of conducting an experiment, usually on human subjects, in an attempt to eliminate subjective bias on the part of both experimental subjects and the experimenters. In most cases, double-blind experiments are held to achieve a higher standard of scientific rigour.
In a double-blind experiment, neither the individuals nor the researchers know who belongs to the control group and the experimental group. Only after all the data are recorded (and in some cases, analyzed) do the researchers learn which individuals are which.
Alternative Medicine being done by a strong advocate (ie your Dr Whitaker) falls into the same category as single blind test, poorly controlled, at best.
Have you ever looked up those studies to see what they say? Does he present any studies that contradict what he says and then answer those contradictions?
Enjoy.
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Message 103 of 325 (404898)
06-10-2007 12:36 PM
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06-09-2007 10:24 PM


Re: Double Blind Study
He once was an avid conventional heart surgeon who had no knowledge or interest in alternatives.
No Buz, he was NOT once an avid conventional heart surgeon. He was still in his residency as an orthopedic resident, (which he didn't finish by the way), when he met a Shaklee dealer who convinced him to start using her vitamins.
American Council on Science and Health
And if you don't trust that source, read it in his own words.
http://www.drwhitaker.com/c/about_drwhit_bio.asp
That is when he started his path away from conventional medicine. His "story" is nothing like a double-blind study, more like anecdotal evidence.

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RAZD
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Message 104 of 325 (404928)
06-10-2007 5:20 PM


Toxic Waste
Either I'm being labelled as Toxic Waste, or this is how I'm prepped for a daily shower:
I developed a mild allergy to the adhesive used for the regular covers that caused a slight rash that kept getting aggravated by subsequent covering, and they had to improvise this with a specimen bag and medical masking tape. Lasts just long enough for a quicky (shower).
Things keep looking up. My cell counts are climbing and they are talking about taking the hickman line out (I could be better off with a regular IV as I don't need any medication at this time) AND they are talking about possible release a day early!
I could be on a bicycle in less than a week (just not 59 miles yet ... I'll work on 5.9 first)
Enjoy.
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Message 105 of 325 (404931)
06-10-2007 5:33 PM
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06-10-2007 5:20 PM


Re: Toxic Waste
Toxic bandages or not, as long as you're not in a nice two-piece suit laying down with your eyes stitched shut, then you're doing OK.
Hang in there.

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