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Author Topic:   Creationism museum opens in Alberta
simple 
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Message 120 of 161 (404980)
06-10-2007 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by RAZD
06-10-2007 9:36 PM


Re: The "Flying Spagetti Monster" is off-topic...
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Let's start with the scientific stuff:
No, let's not. The more important part of creation museums is God, and miracles, and things of a spirit nature. Let us start there. It's my thread, I set the rules. Maybe I should bump it to faith and belief.
Edited by keys, : No reason given.

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simple 
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Message 122 of 161 (404986)
06-10-2007 10:12 PM
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06-10-2007 10:05 PM


Re: How Sweet it is!
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If the Universe came into existence only 6000 years ago, then the most distant of those billions of billions of stars can be no further than 6000 light years away.
Nonsense.
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there is positive evidence that there was no such flood..
Well, maybe find a flood thread, and see how you fare with your claim.
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If you are interested in learning, you have definitely come to the right place. May I suggest that you pick one question related to the age of the Universe that you would like to explore and see what the people here can teach you?
I learn fast. When insulted by Nosy, and you, I learn real fast. Maybe you are the one that needs to learn some manners.

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simple 
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Message 125 of 161 (404993)
06-10-2007 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by jar
06-10-2007 10:16 PM


Re: BeingChristian does not mean you must remain ignorant.
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Even from a theological perspective Biblical Creationism is terrible theology based on an insignificant and evil little goddlet who is incompetent and and a liar and trickster.
Insults. Maybe address the topic here. I posted an example exhibit from the museum. It was of Jesus risen from the dead. I see nothing evil about that.
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Keys, being a Christian does not mean you have to check your brain at the door.
I see. So, are you suggesting that you did or did not do this?

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simple 
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Message 127 of 161 (404997)
06-10-2007 10:31 PM
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06-10-2007 10:26 PM


Re: How high the sky?
So, I can go out and check what the sky was like in the garden of Eden? How would I do that? And, how does that relate to the topic?
About your insulting and condescending claims that my teachers did this or that, and have been lying, are you aware that insults are not allowed here??? I thought Nosy came in and made that clear? Do you overrule the admins here??
Edited by keys, : No reason given.

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simple 
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Message 129 of 161 (405006)
06-10-2007 10:54 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by jar
06-10-2007 10:48 PM


Re: How high the sky?
Very nice. So, what about the exhibit again?
To get into your concerns about what you think should be taught, or about light, that would take another thread.

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simple 
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Message 133 of 161 (405015)
06-10-2007 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by jar
06-10-2007 11:03 PM


Re: How high the sky?
No fact anything like that remains, or even ever existed. If you have something to say about the resurrection exhibit, let us know. The light of the world seems to be a kind of light that is beyond your limitations.
You should stop insulting other beliefs.
'Christian Cult of Ignorance lies'
Do you need to get reported??

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simple 
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Message 134 of 161 (405018)
06-10-2007 11:14 PM
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06-10-2007 11:04 PM


Re: JUST ANOTHER RELIGION
Of course those that believe in the creation via a big bang, that they cannot even begin to address how it got there are a religion. Of course those that rail and insult creation, offering fables they cannot begin to prove are a religion.
I have more respect for religions that admit they are what they are!

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simple 
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Message 136 of 161 (405023)
06-10-2007 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by jar
06-10-2007 11:22 PM


Re: How high the sky?
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For what?
Insulting.
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I gave you facts that disprove a 6000 year old universe.
Claiming I did not is simply sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "Nah-Nah-Nah".
You did nothing of the sort. Claiming you did is simply sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "Nah-Nah-Nah. You also might want to remember that I do not plan to limit myself to the things that the science areas here insist on. That means we cannot have that sort of chat here.
Like the exhibit picture I included earlier from the museum of the resurrected Christ. That was not limited by science.

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simple 
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Message 140 of 161 (405033)
06-10-2007 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by RAZD
06-10-2007 11:37 PM


Re: The "Flying Spagetti Monster" is off-topic...
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Whatever.
What you really have is nothing but attitude. Certainly no argument.
About what?
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In other words you are scared of the truth and like to have your particular faith catered to by any unscrupulous cad. No matter what it costs you. Certainly you don't need to discuss this pathetic excuse for a museum to talk about those other issues, and at least then you can base it on a better foundation.
Quite your whining and grow an integrity meter.
The museum that is the topic of the thread does include more than your idea of science. Your insults mean nothing, even if you do think you are clever. That makes one of us.
There is no better foundation to base a museum on, that you can offer. You don't define science, or integrity.

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simple 
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Message 141 of 161 (405034)
06-10-2007 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by jar
06-10-2007 11:45 PM


Re: How high the sky?
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It is also irrelevant to the topic of Creation Museums. Why bring up irrelevancies?
Are you so desperate to change the topic and avoid dealing with the truth?
The exhibits in the museum, including the one at the core of the matter, the resurrection of Jesus, is relevant. Nothing is more relevant.
That shows that your science is overruled, and does not apply.
Deal with that truth.

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simple 
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Message 146 of 161 (405046)
06-11-2007 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Jaderis
06-11-2007 12:05 AM


Re: BeingChristian does not mean you must remain ignorant.
Human reason is built on only part of the picture, one would think, compared to a God. So, unless you had some science here to prove that there was no God, don't mind if some of us check your brain at the door.

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simple 
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Message 147 of 161 (405049)
06-11-2007 12:24 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by RAZD
06-11-2007 12:07 AM


Re: Age of the Earth, in simple steps
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We'll start with the easy stuff:
The "Methusulah" specimen (estimated germination 2832 BC) was cut down in 1957, so by this one tree alone the minimum age for the earth is 4,839 years (in 2007 ... and counting). See 'Wikipedia: Methuselah Tree" for additional information on this one tree.
I see. You think the whole issue of the creation debate ought to be hashed out in a thread about the museum, while you ignore the exhibit I mentioned.
Now, can you show us where this tree is on display at these museums?
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The museum is full of lies that have nothing to do with truth, no matter what you personally think.
I could say the same of museums you might like. And I could appeal to more than science in the doing of that.
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Lies are no foundation for anything but disappointment.
And lies are not something science can detect, when it comes to some things in the museums, like the exhibit I exampled. Grow an integrity meter.

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simple 
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Message 150 of 161 (405060)
06-11-2007 1:13 AM
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06-11-2007 12:38 AM


Re: Age of the Earth, in simple steps
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This museum (a) talks about a world wide flood as reality and (b) talks about the age of the earth as 6,000 years as reality.
This tree is the first part of the evidence that refutes, invalidates and falsifies those claims.
So you admit this tree is not really related to the museum. OK.
I don't want to engage you in your claims on a science forum here, because it allows no freedom, and is biased.
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False. Lies are detected by evidence that contradicts them, and science is particularly good at finding contradictory evidence to lies like this.
False. The ability of science to detect anything is limited by what it's abilities to detect anything are.
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Of course you could assert that: you can assert anything. Your problem is substantiating your claim.
Actually that is very very easy to do, but not in the science forums here. That would be like playing with a stacked deck, and only half of it at that.
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That makes the minimum age of the earth (and the earliest date for a global flood) 4,900 years old.
Ready to deal with the facts yet?
It seems you are the one that is demonstrating an inability to do just that. The fact is, I am not going to debate science under your kangaroo court setup here. The fact also is that the exhibit I talked about, you have not addressed.

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simple 
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Message 151 of 161 (405061)
06-11-2007 1:20 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by Jaderis
06-11-2007 12:39 AM


Re: BeingChristian does not mean you must remain ignorant.
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The burden of proof is not on me, but you, my friend and all the others who put forward the idea of a supernatural entity (for which we have NO evidence).
On the contrary, I have no need to prove what is well known. The reason you have no evidence is because you ignore it, and set up a belief system that ignores it, and a knowledge system that ignores all but the material. Why ignore this?
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OTOH, my position is well evidenced. The burden again falls upon you to falsify the evidence, although doing so does not automatically make your belief correct, of course.
What position? That there is no God??? I thought you just said there was no evidence? Make up your mind.
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Oh, and I would thank you kindly if you left my brain alone...it goes through all doors with me.
Not this one. You must check it at the door, and admit that there is more dealt with in the museum than your brain can deal with.

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