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jar
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Message 10 of 161 (404355)
06-08-2007 10:42 AM
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06-08-2007 3:23 AM


Faith is fine, Lies and Fraud are not as kind.
Not because all the science is perfect, any more than it might be for the evolution proponents, but, because children deserve faith.
Faith is fine.
But Biblical Creation is simply teaching lies and another fraud committed on the gullible Christian Cult of Ignorance.
You have to wonder how long the Christian Cult of Ignorance will continue to applaud the con men for opening new places to take their money?

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Message 23 of 161 (404481)
06-09-2007 12:10 AM
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06-09-2007 12:06 AM


Re: How Sweet it is!
You have an opinion. Good for you.
The fact that Biblical Creationism is a lie and fraud is not a matter of opinion but of fact. It is supported only by the Christian Cult of Ignorance and as long as Christians are willing to remain ignorant and willing to fork over money to the leaders of the Cult of Ignorance, it will thrive.
Biblical Creationism is not just bad science, it is worse theology.

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Message 29 of 161 (404501)
06-09-2007 12:57 AM
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06-09-2007 12:51 AM


Re: How Sweet it is!
I would ask you what faith you are from, then, since you had something to say about my faith.
I am a Christian which is why I can speak about the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

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Message 35 of 161 (404519)
06-09-2007 1:14 AM
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06-09-2007 1:02 AM


Re: How Sweet it is!
What kind of Christian are you?
Life long active working at being a Christian Christian.
How is it you get to decide, in other words who is the good Christians, and who is in this cult of ignorance?
Well, people who teach lies and falsehoods like Biblical Creationism are in the Cult of Ignorance by default.
I don't decide, their behavior convicts them.
Anyone who thinks the Earth is only thousands of years old is in the Cult of Ignorance. Sorry, that is just a fact.
Anyone who thinks man is not an animal is in the Cult of Ignorance. Sorry, that is just a fact.
But being ignorant is curable. It is not a matter of the Christian Cult of Ignorance being bad. Most people in it aren't bad, just ignorant. But the preachers and teachers and pastors and ministers and padres and priests and other charlatans who are getting rich off the membership of the Christian Cult of Ignorance, who take advantage of them through things like the different Creation Museums, are bad.

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jar
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Message 45 of 161 (404553)
06-09-2007 1:49 AM
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06-09-2007 1:34 AM


General items
OK. I guess that means you believe in the bible?
Yup. And read it more literally than those who claim to be Literalists. For example there is not one Creation myth in the Bible but several.
I also am a Christian, and am certain the universe was created 6000 years ago. Nothing convicts me of being in this cult of ignorance you dreamed up. What about the bible is it you don't like?
I don't doubt for a second that you are a Christian or that you believe the universe was created 6000 years ago. The former is definitely your decision but the later is simply a matter of ignorance.
What makes you think I don't like something about the Bible? I have actually even read it.
Well, no, actually, lrt me tell you the facts of that matter. Man is more than the flesh.
Fine, present the evidence of that which is more than animal and show it is something not possessed by all the other animals and we can discuss it.
Nonsense, this sort of backwater, Inquisition era witch hunting conspiracy theory gibberish, and biased hate speech cannot be cloaked in the sheepskin of Christian reality. Not now, not ever.
Please show where any such assertions were made by me? There is no hate speech involved, more a feeling of profound pity for all the ignorant members of the Christian Cult of Ignorance, sadness that they worship such a small, picayune bling-bling pimp daddy of a god, and disgust at the preachers and teachers and pastors and ministers and padres and priests and other charlatans who are getting rich off the membership of the Christian Cult of Ignorance, who take advantage of them through things like the different Creation Museums and conathons like the 700 Club.

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jar
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Message 96 of 161 (404721)
06-09-2007 10:48 AM
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06-09-2007 2:02 AM


Re: General items
So you believe, like Jesus, in the flood, and the first man, Adam?
No, of course not. There has NEVER been a world-wide flood and certainly not in the literal Adam.
Fine, present the evidence that there is nothing that is more than animal and show it is something not also possessed by all the other animals and we can discuss it. Meanwhile, admit you know not about what it is you speak.
I'm sorry but YOU were the person asserting that there was something more.
Well, referring to the groups of believers as cons, and cults, and charlatans with a 'pimp daddy of a god' comes to mind! Should I be feeling the love in there somehow?
Sorry if the truth hurts. But it is only the members that have a picayune bling-bling pimp-daddy of a god. The preachers and teachers and pastors and ministers and padres and priests and other charlatans who are getting rich off the membership of the Christian Cult of Ignorance, who take advantage of them through things like the different Creation Museums and conathons like the 700 Club have no god but themselves and your money.
I hope you do feel the love, because you have been lied to by your religious leaders and now you have a chance not just to see that they are lying to you, but that it is possible to learn, and to grow as a Christian.

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jar
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Message 110 of 161 (404883)
06-10-2007 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by simple
06-09-2007 10:51 PM


Re: How Sweet it is!
Well, don't get too cocky, after all, how many facts does man have the power to review, or even access to??
There are quite a few facts that we have access to, far more than enough to prove that most of what is alleged by Biblical Creationists, YEC and those who believe in the Flood Myth are wrong.
Creationism Museums are fine as long as they are clearly labeled as only showing the beliefs of the Christian Cult of Ignorance.
There is no problem saying that "The Christian Cult of Ignorance believes that the universe is only 6000 years old."
It does make Christians look really stupid, but that is just something that those of us who are Christian and realize just how stupid it makes us look will have to learn to endure.

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jar
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Message 121 of 161 (404984)
06-10-2007 10:05 PM
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06-10-2007 9:23 PM


Re: How Sweet it is!
In response to my saying
There are quite a few facts that we have access to, far more than enough to prove that most of what is alleged by Biblical Creationists, YEC and those who believe in the Flood Myth are wrong.
keys replied:
quote:
You have access to no such facts.
Of course I do and you do as well if you will only be honest about it.
Consider the really stupid idea of a 6000 year old universe.
Go out at night.
Look at the night sky.
Pick a spot where there are no stars.
Look at that spot using binoculars and you will see it is not empty but filled with stars.
Pick a spot where even with the binoculars you see nothing.
Get a small telescope and look at that spot and you will find it too is not empty but filled with stars. You may even be able to see that some of the objects are not stars but rather whole galaxies, galaxies filled with millions, maybe billions of stars.
But using the small telescope, pick a spot where there is nothing.
Get a larger telescope and look at that area and you will find it too is not empty but that there are still more stars and galaxies to be seen.
You can continue this all the way up to the largest earth mounted telescopes and wherever you look, you will find more and more stars and galaxies with each increase in resolution.
If you then look using a telescope not here on earth, where it must look through our atmosphere, but rather one in space, you will find yet more galaxies.
If the Universe came into existence only 6000 years ago, then the most distant of those billions of billions of stars can be no further than 6000 light years away.
Sorry charley.
If all the stars that are visible were within 6000 light years of the earth, we would not be here.
The evidence that Biblical Creationists and Young Earth Creationists are wrong is overwhelming. Not only is there no evidence there ever was a world-wide flood, there is positive evidence that there was no such flood. Further, we know that by 6000 years ago mankind had spread to every continent and was pretty much advanced, having domesticated animals, developed several agricultural societies, was making pottery and artwork, and had extensive trading networks covering almost every area of the world.
If you are interested in learning, you have definitely come to the right place. May I suggest that you pick one question related to the age of the Universe that you would like to explore and see what the people here can teach you?

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jar
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Message 123 of 161 (404989)
06-10-2007 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by simple
06-10-2007 9:56 PM


BeingChristian does not mean you must remain ignorant.
No, let's not. The more important part of creation museums is God, and miracles, and things of a spirit nature. Let us start there. It's my thread, I set the rules. Maybe I should bump it to faith and belief.
Even from a theological perspective Biblical Creationism is terrible theology based on an insignificant and evil little goddlet who is incompetent and and a liar and trickster.
Let's look at it from that perspective.
If Biblical Creationism is true, the God is a liar and con man. He places false evidence, creates fraudulent facts simply to confound people.
Keys, being a Christian does not mean you have to check your brain at the door.

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jar
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Message 126 of 161 (404994)
06-10-2007 10:26 PM
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06-10-2007 10:12 PM


How high the sky?
I said:
If the Universe came into existence only 6000 years ago, then the most distant of those billions of billions of stars can be no further than 6000 light years away.
to which keys replied:
quote:
Nonsense.
Pray tell?
We see the stars. If they only came into existence 6000 years ago and the light from the stars is here now, how can they be farther than 6000 light years away?
Stars are an absolute killer to the Young Earth Position. If the Universe is only 6000 years old then all we can see cannot be older than 6000 years. That means if the light is here, the star must be no more than 6000 light years away.
All the billions of billions of billions of stars packed into a tiny ball.
Your ministers and preachers have been lying to you.
What is worse is they have been lying to you about stuff you can go outside and check yourself any night.
If they lie to you about stuff where they certainly will be caught, how much else have they lied to you about?

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jar
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Message 128 of 161 (405004)
06-10-2007 10:48 PM
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06-10-2007 10:31 PM


Re: How high the sky?
So, I can go out and check what the sky was like in the garden of Eden? How would I do that? And, how does that relate to the topic?
Actually we know a whole lot about what the sky and the world was like at the supposed time of the Garden on Eden and for millions of years before that. We know what people of the time ate, how they dressed, where they traded, what they found valuable, how they hunted. We know lots about the folk living 6000 years ago, and even long before that.
Look at the thread Message 1
But that is not the point.
If all the stars we can see are within 6000 light years of us, we would be fried by the radiation. Life likely would not exist.
If you wish to assert that the universe is 6000 years old, you need to present a model that can explain all the stars we can see being within 6000 light years of us.
About your insulting and condesending claims that my teachers dis this or that, and have been lying, are you aware that insults are not allowed here??? I thought Nosy came in and made that clear? Do you overrule the admins here??
Telling you that your teachers (and I certainly hope you don't mean that actual teachers are teaching kids that the Universe is only 6000 years old, I was hoping that only the ministers and pastors had been lying to you) are lying to you is not an insult. It is simply fact.
The fact is, in a 6000 year old universe all the stars must be no more than 6000 light years away from us. Remember the galaxies as well. A small galaxy might only have 20 million stars in it but there are some with billions of stars and giant galaxies that have up to trillions of stars.
Just to give you an idea of how many stars we are talking about squeezing in that little ball of a universe you believe in, there are more than 100 Billion galaxies in the observable universe.
Note that is the Observable Universe. It is a conservative number.
Your little universe you believe in must hold over 100 Billion Galaxies each consisting of from tens of millions of stars to trillions of stars.
Where is the model for that?

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jar
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Message 131 of 161 (405011)
06-10-2007 11:03 PM
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06-10-2007 10:54 PM


Re: How high the sky?
The exhibit is simply a continuation of Christian Cult of Ignorance lies and just another way for the leaders of the Christian Cult of Ignorance to get gullible Christians to fork over money.
It is filled with one lie after another, so many lies that any truth that might be hidden inside will get swept out with the chaff.
To get into your concerns about what you think should be taught, or about light, that would take another thread.
That is fine. We can discuss it in any thread.
The FACT remains that a 6000 year old universe cannot fit with what we observe, there is absolute evidence there has never been a world-wide flood, the Grand Canyon Can Not be explained by the flood and man did not live with dinosaurs.
So the Museum is just another Con to get Ignorant Christians to fork over money.

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jar
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Message 135 of 161 (405019)
06-10-2007 11:22 PM
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06-10-2007 11:10 PM


Re: How high the sky?
You should stop insulting other beliefs.
'Christian Cult of Ignorance lies'
Do you need to get reported??
To whom?
For what?
No fact anything like that remains, or even ever existed.
I gave you facts that disprove a 6000 year old universe.
Claiming I did not is simply sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "Nah-Nah-Nah".
If someone wants to set up some Christian Theme Park with animated resurrection models, fine. I find it demeaning to the lessons of Jesus but they are free to do so.
But that is also totally irrelevant to the topic of "Creationism museum opens in Alberta."
That is continuing a lie and fraud and just another way to get ignorant Christians to fork over money. Pretty much like the Conathon called the 700 Club.
Please understand that I am a Christian and I take Christianity very seriously. It is those who Blaspheme the Holy Spirit like your teachers I get upset about.

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Message 139 of 161 (405030)
06-10-2007 11:45 PM
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06-10-2007 11:34 PM


Re: How high the sky?
You also might want to remember that I do not plan to limit myself to the things that the science areas here insist on. That means we cannot have that sort of chat here.
Yes, that is the normal reaction of the Christian Cult of Ignorance when faced with facts.
Please explain how there can be over 100 Billion Galaxies each made up of tens of millions to trillions of stars withing 6000 light years of Earth.
If you cannot do that, the 6000 year old universe is falsified. That means the Creation Museum is falsified and that it is teaching lies.
If you can provide the model that explains that, we will go on to the NEXT refutation of a Young Earth
Like the exhibit picture I included earlier from the museum of the resurrected Christ. That was not limited by science.
It is also irrelevant to the topic of Creation Museums. Why bring up irrelevancies?
Are you so desperate to change the topic and avoid dealing with the truth?

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Message 143 of 161 (405039)
06-11-2007 12:05 AM
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06-10-2007 11:58 PM


Re: How high the sky?
The exhibits in the museum, including the one at the core of the matter, the resurrection of Jesus, is relevant. Nothing is more relevant.
Sorry but you must show how that is relevant to squeezing 100 Billion Galaxies each containing from tens of millions to trillions of stars into a 6000 year old universe. Unless you can support the relevancy of your resurrection exhibit to the model explaining how 100 Billion Galaxies each containing tens of millions of stars to trillions of stars in a 6000 year old universe it really is irrelevant.

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