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simple  Inactive Member |
quote:Insulting. quote:You did nothing of the sort. Claiming you did is simply sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "Nah-Nah-Nah. You also might want to remember that I do not plan to limit myself to the things that the science areas here insist on. That means we cannot have that sort of chat here. Like the exhibit picture I included earlier from the museum of the resurrected Christ. That was not limited by science.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Message 119 Care to stop advertising other thread? I have NO interest in what you want to define as science, or posting in a kangaroo court set up I feel is extremely biased. Whatever. What you really have is nothing but attitude. Certainly no argument.
No, let's not. The more important part of creation museums is God, and miracles, and things of a spirit nature. Let us start there. It's my thread, I set the rules. Maybe I should bump it to faith and belief. In other words you are scared of the truth and like to have your particular faith catered to by any unscrupulous cad. No matter what it costs you. Certainly you don't need to discuss this pathetic excuse for a museum to talk about those other issues, and at least then you can base it on a better foundation. Quite your whining and grow an integrity meter. "Faith and Belief" forum would still mean that you should still deal with honesty and integrety. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : F&B Forum compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Don’t forget The First Church of Evolution http://www.fcefaith.org they got faith too. This has already been refuted in Message 167 An honest debater would answer that post rather than repeat the same falsified assertion. A person who learns things doesn't repeat mistakes. You are 6 posts close to a suspension, IMH(ysa)O. This appears to be your biggest canon, and it's a derringer loaded with blanks. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : canon fodder Edited by RAZD, : . compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You also might want to remember that I do not plan to limit myself to the things that the science areas here insist on. That means we cannot have that sort of chat here. Yes, that is the normal reaction of the Christian Cult of Ignorance when faced with facts. Please explain how there can be over 100 Billion Galaxies each made up of tens of millions to trillions of stars withing 6000 light years of Earth. If you cannot do that, the 6000 year old universe is falsified. That means the Creation Museum is falsified and that it is teaching lies. If you can provide the model that explains that, we will go on to the NEXT refutation of a Young Earth
Like the exhibit picture I included earlier from the museum of the resurrected Christ. That was not limited by science. It is also irrelevant to the topic of Creation Museums. Why bring up irrelevancies? Are you so desperate to change the topic and avoid dealing with the truth? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote: About what?
quote: The museum that is the topic of the thread does include more than your idea of science. Your insults mean nothing, even if you do think you are clever. That makes one of us.There is no better foundation to base a museum on, that you can offer. You don't define science, or integrity.
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quote: The exhibits in the museum, including the one at the core of the matter, the resurrection of Jesus, is relevant. Nothing is more relevant. That shows that your science is overruled, and does not apply. Deal with that truth.
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Jaderis Member (Idle past 3424 days) Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
Keys, being a Christian does not mean you have to check your brain at the door. Yes, but being the kind of Christian that Ken Ham and, apparently, keys, advocates does. The "museum" pits human reason against God's word in display after display effectively informing people that using their brains is not encouraged by God For more images and a review of the "museum" in Kentucky go here. Take note of the mention of a "christian academy" called LCA and the link to some excerpts from the biology text used there. Freaky shit.
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The exhibits in the museum, including the one at the core of the matter, the resurrection of Jesus, is relevant. Nothing is more relevant. Sorry but you must show how that is relevant to squeezing 100 Billion Galaxies each containing from tens of millions to trillions of stars into a 6000 year old universe. Unless you can support the relevancy of your resurrection exhibit to the model explaining how 100 Billion Galaxies each containing tens of millions of stars to trillions of stars in a 6000 year old universe it really is irrelevant. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
We'll start with the easy stuff:
The "Methusulah" specimen (estimated germination 2832 BC) was cut down in 1957, so by this one tree alone the minimum age for the earth is 4,839 years (in 2007 ... and counting). See 'Wikipedia: Methuselah Tree" for additional information on this one tree. Methuselah (tree) - Wikipedia Note: this also means that there was no WW flood in those 4,839 years, as it was still living. Now either we agree that this is so, based as it is on solid evidence and documented as fact, or we agree that you prefer to be deluded:
Your insults mean nothing,... Statements of facts are not insults. The museum is full of lies that have nothing to do with truth, no matter what you personally think.
There is no better foundation to base a museum on, that you can offer. Lies are no foundation for anything but disappointment. Enjoy. compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, yes. The Christian Cult of Ignorance can only continue as long as it can keep folk ignorant. The Pastors and Ministers and Priests and Padres have to keep folk like keys from stopping even long enough to look up at the sky. If they start actually examining the facts, truth and evidence, the flow of money might dry up.
Biblical Creationism is based on lies and misdirecting folk so that they don't realize they are being lied to as long as they have money to fork over to the Conmen. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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simple  Inactive Member |
Human reason is built on only part of the picture, one would think, compared to a God. So, unless you had some science here to prove that there was no God, don't mind if some of us check your brain at the door.
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quote:I see. You think the whole issue of the creation debate ought to be hashed out in a thread about the museum, while you ignore the exhibit I mentioned. Now, can you show us where this tree is on display at these museums?
quote:I could say the same of museums you might like. And I could appeal to more than science in the doing of that. quote: And lies are not something science can detect, when it comes to some things in the museums, like the exhibit I exampled. Grow an integrity meter.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Now, can you show us where this tree is on display at these museums? This museum (a) talks about a world wide flood as reality and (b) talks about the age of the earth as 6,000 years as reality. This tree is the first part of the evidence that refutes, invalidates and falsifies those claims.
And lies are not something science can detect, ... False. Lies are detected by evidence that contradicts them, and science is particularly good at finding contradictory evidence to lies like this.
I could say the same of museums you might like. Of course you could assert that: you can assert anything. Your problem is substantiating your claim. Now the next bit:Prometheus (tree) - Wikipedia quote: That makes the minimum age of the earth (and the earliest date for a global flood) 4,900 years old. Ready to deal with the facts yet? Enjoy. compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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Jaderis Member (Idle past 3424 days) Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
So, unless you had some science here to prove that there was no God, don't mind if some of us check your brain at the door. The burden of proof is not on me, but you, my friend and all the others who put forward the idea of a supernatural entity (for which we have NO evidence). OTOH, my position is well evidenced. The burden again falls upon you to falsify the evidence, although doing so does not automatically make your belief correct, of course. Oh, and I would thank you kindly if you left my brain alone...it goes through all doors with me.
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote: So you admit this tree is not really related to the museum. OK.I don't want to engage you in your claims on a science forum here, because it allows no freedom, and is biased. quote:False. The ability of science to detect anything is limited by what it's abilities to detect anything are. quote:Actually that is very very easy to do, but not in the science forums here. That would be like playing with a stacked deck, and only half of it at that. quote:It seems you are the one that is demonstrating an inability to do just that. The fact is, I am not going to debate science under your kangaroo court setup here. The fact also is that the exhibit I talked about, you have not addressed.
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