Creationism museum opens in Alberta

Its no wonder then that when you claim that the Earth is 6000 years old and there was a global flood we ask you to give more than a claim.But then the best you can offer is this: Faith in God should not demand a denial of evidence. Millions of denials do not make it right.Does majority opinion make truth? You keep asserting this as if you truly believe it. Not any museum however, or you would not have so many people attempting to debate the issue while you dodge. The museum in question is trying to tell the public that the Earth is only 6000 years old and there was a global flood. You can post a picture of an empty cave and suddenly its about "faith". As you can see so far in this thread the major issue that many of us have is not about an empty cave.

That doesn't prove we are children of monkeys. No matter how much you prefer to think of that as logical, I don't believe it without evidence.You may go now. I think we saw what you had by now. Nothing.

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ts no wonder then that when you claim that the Earth is 6000 years old and there was a global flood we ask you to give more than a claim.

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But then the best you can offer is this:
I know for reasons in my life, as millions of others do.

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No idea why you slap unrelated thoughts together, pretending they form a point.
I believe a certain timespan, and you believe a certain one. I don't recall someone asking me to prove the flood here? If they did, again that is a big topic.
The evidence in my life, and others mentioned was for a spiritual, and a God. One needs not do better than that.

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Faith in God should not demand a denial of evidence. Millions of denials do not make it right.

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I deny nothing, it seems you deny that we realize there is a spiritual.

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Does majority opinion make truth? You keep asserting this as if you truly believe it.

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Repeatabilty, well observed, time tested, evidence in real lives is not opinion. It is experiment, and results.

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Not any museum however, or you would not have so many people attempting to debate the issue while you dodge. The museum in question is trying to tell the public that the Earth is only 6000 years old and there was a global flood. You can post a picture of an empty cave and suddenly its about "faith". As you can see so far in this thread the major issue that many of us have is not about an empty cave.

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No, I don't see that. If one saw that these museums included more than just the natural, whay would the flood be a problem?

[sigh] How soon they forget.This evidence. Au contraire, mon frere!To wit: Let's review that quote again, shall we? I'm from Missouri.
Show me.

There is evidence in millions of lives. You are apparently not one of them, and so you can't see it in the lives of others. It is invisible. You need to learn your little limits.You can not be shown that which you can not see, and you cannot experience that that does not live in your life. But that does not change the fact that most of the world still believes in a spiritual. Or the fact that it is tested, tried, proven, repeated, observed, and a well known part of reality. Being out of that loop does not mean you can define reality by the limits of your beliefs!

You said you had evidence god exists.
I am asking to see it.You said you had evidence jebus rose from the dead.
I am asking to see it.

I do have it, as do millions. You can't unless you are born of the spirit, or find some other experience that get you more than a natural experience. You are not in a position to question miracles, answered prayers, gifts, inner peace, angelic help, wisdom from God, or etc etc.The evidence is all around, but not all can detect it. It is not science, where all natural men can see the tests!The evidence of Jesus is in the lives of millions as well. He is alive and made Himself known. The bible documents witnesses of the resurrection. Do not think that just because you can't see it it isn't here.

okay, let me explain. To wich you answered: From the start of this thread you have asked to provide evidence for your denial of the scientific evidence that shows your belief in creation science is incorrect. You where asked what evidence you have for your belief - and you asnwered as such. This is not an unrealted thought and I am pretending nothing. I believe in a timespan that is supported by evidence. You may not have been asked to prove the flood directly, but since you support YEC and a direct interpetation of the bible I think it can be safe to assume there are many here who want you to show the evidence. The "evidence" you have to support your belief is spiritual and you think this somehow trumps physical evidence? Please explain. You dont address anything either. Do you deny the Earth is older than YEC claims? Do you deny that this museum is attempting to convince the public the Earth is 6000 years old? Show me where I said that. I said nothing of the sort. You must not have been reading. Each and every person who has posted has a problem that you have apparently not seen. The issue with the museum is not about faith in God, Jesus, or spirituality - the issue is combining these elements of faith with a denial of evidence. The "flood" is a major problem; it left no evidence.

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From the start of this thread you have asked to provide evidence for your denial of the scientific evidence that shows your belief in creation science is incorrect.

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I asked for evidence of my denial? I have no denial. Not of evidence, maybe of your opinion on what it means.

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You where asked what evidence you have for your belief - and you asnwered as such. This is not an unrealted thought and I am pretending nothing.

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There is plenty of evidence, and it seems unrelated to your thoughts, which seem to exclude God and the supernatural. [quote]I believe in a timespan that is supported by evidence. You may not have been asked to prove the flood directly, but since you support YEC and a direct interpetation of the bible I think it can be safe to assume there are many here who want you to show the evidence. The "evidence" you have to support your belief is spiritual and you think this somehow trumps physical evidence? Please explain.[quote] If there is also the spiritual at work, then why would physical evidence alone in the way you interpret it matter?

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You dont address anything either. Do you deny the Earth is older than YEC claims? Do you deny that this museum is attempting to convince the public the Earth is 6000 years old?

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Why would I deny that?? The thing is, how to relate this to the thread. I think an exhibit might help you there. I used one. Try it.

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Show me where I said that. I said nothing of the sort.

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Let's be clear here, do you believe in God, and a spiritual or not?? Don't keep us guessing.

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You must not have been reading. Each and every person who has posted has a problem that you have apparently not seen. The issue with the museum is not about faith in God, Jesus, or spirituality - the issue is combining these elements of faith with a denial of evidence. The "flood" is a major problem; it left no evidence.

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With faith in God what need is there to deny evidence?? I certainly don't do that. What kind of evidence would you like the flood to have left?? Sand? water covering the earth still? or...what? Where is it that the museums have messed up in your opinion?

As Nosy said: And as our admin director said: This conversation isn't making progress.To make things easier for you, I offer you a list of "evidences" you have yet to provide: Now, may I remind you, on more than one occasion you have [willfully?] chosen to contradict yourself:Example #1 Example #2 So. As you compose your answer, consider this:You have offered nothing beyond the 6 bare assertions listed above. You are blocking the progress of this discussion. In order to move forward, I suggest you pick one or two of the "evidences" from that list and elaborate.Over the past couple of days, several people have pointed this out to you, but I think it bears repeating: Just because I said so is NOT evidence.To use Rahvin's analogy, just because I say there's a pink unicorn on my shoulder doesn't make it so.Just because someone says they saw a ghost doesn't make it so.
Just because someone says they saw an angel doesn't make it so.
Just because someone says the flood occurred doesn't make it so.
Just because someone says jebus rose from the dead doesn't make it so.
Just because someone says there are miracles doesn't make it so.
Just because someone says the bible is literally true doesn't make it so.

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You seem to want to avoid discussing actual facts. If that is true then say so and don't waste peoples time

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Don't waste my time,if you think you have facts let's see them.

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The goal of EvC Forum is to host discussions that actually make progress, and those who consistently make this goal difficult to achieve quickly gain the notice of moderators.

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This conversation isn't making progress.

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Speak for yourself. I think some progress is made in seeing how you have nothing to say.

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To make things easier for you, I offer you a list of "evidences" you have yet to provide:

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Jesus rose from the dead, that is evidence

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Another example might be that many have seen ghosts and angels.

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I have evidence in my life

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I do use the bible for some things, yes ... That is evidence.

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Millions of people have had miracles

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The flood itself I believe, and millions of other as well, really happened.

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Yes, miracles, and evidences in lives, and the bible and resurrection etc are evidence. So??? Your ability to realize that is all that is a problem.

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Now, may I remind you, on more than one occasion you have [willfully?] chosen to contradict yourself:

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You can try.

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Example #1

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I don't recall someone asking me to prove the flood here

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Ok,so, what, you think I need to prove a flood now?

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List 2 known lies in the museum, so we can see what you mean.

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(2) The world wide flood occurred within that time or any close approximation

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If it is a lie, prove it. Don't just say it. I say it is not a lie. Why would I think it is a lie??

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Example #2

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I never said there was evidence for you.

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On the other hand, the earth abounds with evidence for a God

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That contradicts YOU, not me. There is evidence, You can't access it.

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So. As you compose your answer, consider this:

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You have offered nothing beyond the 6 bare assertions listed above. You are blocking the progress of this discussion. In order to move forward, I suggest you pick one or two of the "evidences" from that list and elaborate.

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OK, I pick Jesus rising. We saw it. We believe it. We documented it. We find He is alive and well. So?? This is not a science area, and we need no science to have evidences of the spiritual in our lives. I suggest you get some evidence against this or grow a point.

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Over the past couple of days, several people have pointed this out to you, but I think it bears repeating: Just because I said so is NOT evidence.

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The bible says so, and so do millions of people that tested it. That is all you get. Learn to live with it. Just because you say it is not so does not make it not so. That is how the world of the supernatural works, there is no evidence of the kind unspiritual people want. Welcome to faith and belief.{quoteTo use Rahvin's analogy, just because I say there's a pink unicorn on my shoulder doesn't make it so.[/quote]or not so....so??

I haven't followed this topic real closely, but my impression is that damn little specific information about the museum has been presented.I never even noticed mention of the museum's website, which is bvcsm – My WordPress Blog.I've also just started the "Links and Information" topic Creation Science Museums. That site contains many links to things creation museum.Moose

OK. Good. A place to start.Repeating your bare assertion, as you just did, as you have done too many times to count, is NOT evidence."We saw it."
Prove it.
"We documented it."
Prove it.Provide something, anything, as evidence to back up this "because I said so" claim.Use the museum. Use the bible. Use other historical references. Use something other than "because I said so".And don't say "Nuh-uh. You disprove it."YOU made the assertion. YOU are obligated to back it up.

Way to quotemine.You're well on your way to messageboard martyrdom. Congrats.Do you mind if I ask for your answers to my questions?Do you "ignore" the notierity (well-known-ness) of Krishna or Zeus or Mara or Amun?And if so, why?

OFF-TOPICAlso, lot of worthless subtitles happening. A good subtitle can be very useful when searching for a specific message (ie. See message 237).Sure seems like a lot of smoke and very little substance in this thread. I might suggest that the other refrain from replying until Keys comes up with some real substance in his messages. Otherwise we might best just lay this topic to rest.Adminnemooseus

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