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jar
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Message 145 of 303 (405044)
06-11-2007 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Jaderis
06-11-2007 12:05 AM


Re: BeingChristian does not mean you must remain ignorant.
Well, yes. The Christian Cult of Ignorance can only continue as long as it can keep folk ignorant. The Pastors and Ministers and Priests and Padres have to keep folk like keys from stopping even long enough to look up at the sky. If they start actually examining the facts, truth and evidence, the flow of money might dry up.
Biblical Creationism is based on lies and misdirecting folk so that they don't realize they are being lied to as long as they have money to fork over to the Conmen.

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Message 162 of 303 (405099)
06-11-2007 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by simple
06-11-2007 12:18 AM


Re: BeingChristian does not mean you must remain ignorant.
Human reason is built on only part of the picture, one would think, compared to a God.
Well we are over on the F&B side now so let's see how that goes.
Human reason is all that we have available keys unless you can present some other form of reason.
So, unless you had some science here to prove that there was no God, don't mind if some of us check your brain at the door.
No one has asserted that there is no God, in fact I have said several times I am a Christian and believe in God. You are simply creating a strawman.
The subject is "Creationism museum opens in Alberta."
Biblical Creationism is based on artifice, bamboozlement, bamboozling, cheating, chicanery, conning, deceiving, double-dealing, dupery, duping, duplicity, faking the evidence, pulling a fast one, fast shuffling, flimflam, fourberie, fraudulence, graft, guile, hanky-panky, hoaxing gullible Christians, hocus-pocus, hoodwinking, hustling, imposture, misrepresentation, racket, scam, sham, sharp practice, skunking, smoke & mirrors, spuriousness, swindling, treachery and trickery.
If Biblical Creationism is true, then the God of Biblical Creationists is Loki, the Trickster.
If you wish to continue to worship a Trickster, then it is fine. You still need to explain the world we live in.
You keep refering to some picture of Jesus resurrection but you have not show such an image yet.
Even if you had, what relevance does a picture of Jesus resurrection have with a Creation Museum in Alberta?

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jar
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Message 168 of 303 (405190)
06-11-2007 8:51 PM
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06-11-2007 8:32 PM


Re: BeingChristian does not mean you must remain ignorant.
These museums are science museums, but more importantly, as museums that reflect the added spiritual content. Not limited just to science.
So far you have offered NO evidence that there is ANY Science at the Creationism Museum or any evidence why an empty tomb has any relevance to "Creationism museum opens in Alberta."
You may assert that it is a science museum but unless you can offer some evidence it is simply irrelevant. Furthermore, the picture you posted is not even from the Alberta Museum but rather Ken Hamm's sideshow and carnival.
So far you have simply run away from the evidence that the Universe is far older than 6000 years and presented totally irrelevant images from some other Creationist Amusement Park.

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jar
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Message 193 of 303 (405229)
06-11-2007 11:17 PM
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06-11-2007 10:48 PM


Exhibits raised by you?
First, deal with the exhibits already raised first by me.
I did. They are not only TOTALLY irrelevant to the issue of "Creationism museum opens in Alberta" they are not even from that museum but from a totally different sideshow.

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jar
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Message 199 of 303 (405246)
06-12-2007 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by simple
06-11-2007 11:55 PM


Re: Exhibits raised by you?
keys writes:
Don't think so, it was from the US one.
LOL. Right. Now what is the title of the thread?
Hint: "Creationism museum opens in Alberta"
What does Jesus resurrection have to do with Creation Museums?
If the goal is to teach folk about Jesus and the concept that GOD created all that is, seen and unseen, why include material that is totally refuted and false like a 6000 year old universe or the Great Wetting that Never Happened?

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jar
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Message 202 of 303 (405249)
06-12-2007 12:34 AM
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06-12-2007 12:27 AM


Re: Exhibits raised by you?
You still need to show how it is relevant to the topic of "Creation Museums".
If the goal is to teach folk about Jesus and the concept that GOD created all that is, seen and unseen, why include material that is totally refuted and false like a 6000 year old universe or the Great Wetting that Never Happened?

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jar
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Message 209 of 303 (405257)
06-12-2007 1:02 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by simple
06-12-2007 12:48 AM


Re: Exhibits raised by you?
Since it is part of an exhibit IN a real creation museum, how could it be anything BUT relevant? Think about it.
LOL. It's there for the same reason the carny had a bearded lady and the sword swallower. It helps bring in the rubes.
No, that does not answer the question of how it is relevant.
So one more time, "How is some display of an empty tomb relevant to the issue of Biblical Creation Museums?"
Well, apparently they do not think it is refuted. Apparently you do. The flood itself I believe, and millions of other as well, really happened. Now, some of the science may be off, and even wrong in the mainstream of creationism, I will grant that. But I will grant the same for things you might believe in 'science'. Ever notice science has changed somewhat since, say, the 1940ies?
Of course the conclusions change as we learn more and more. But that has nothing to do with the FACT that both a Young Universe and The Great Wetting have been completely refuted.
Those are not subject to opinions, they are facts.
Keep in mind that what these things were supposedly refuted with, is just natural science. If there is more, then, that is meaningless.
Nonesense. Even if there is a GOD that created the universe, it does not refute the physical evidence.
Look up at the skies at night. The stars are there. The Galaxies are there.
But also stop and consider the theological implications of what you are saying. If either the Universe really were Young or the Great Wetting actually happened, the the person responsible, ie:God, later left false clues that all show that neither are true. In other words, if the Universe is Young or there was a world-wide flood, then God is a liar and trickster.
You claimed to be a Christian, that means you must believe in the resurrection, and God!!! Why?
You can find my reasoning all over EvC. Start in Columnists Corner.
BUT...
whether or not I believe in GOD and the resurrection is irrelevant to the issue. Neither of those have anything to do with how old the Universe is or if there ever was a world-wide flood.

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jar
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Message 261 of 303 (405360)
06-12-2007 1:11 PM
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06-12-2007 12:44 PM


Why such museums are BAD theologically.
If they are wrong about the things that can be tested scientifically, why should we believe them about those things that cannot be so tested?

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jar
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Message 297 of 303 (405521)
06-13-2007 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 296 by Modulous
06-13-2007 11:15 AM


Re: The culture wars
Just FYI. You mention:
And these are the most honest cases. Certain museums will present evidence that isn't even evidence, Baugh comes to mind here: Modern artefacts cemented into old layers proves the young earth. There are others like the claimed evidence for human/dinosaur interaction.
The specific museum mentioned in the title of the thread includes much of the material from Baugh including the foot in boot, dino/man tracks and what is worse, what is displayed are not even the originals but rather reproductions of them.

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