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Author Topic:   An Open Letter to my Secular Humanist Colleagues
Monk
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Message 18 of 47 (406129)
06-17-2007 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by crashfrog
06-16-2007 7:17 PM


Re: Re-feeling
. There are no intellectually sound justifications for belief in the existence of God. There aren't even any that convince philosophers...
There are plenty of intellectually sound justifications for the belief in the existence of God. But these rationalizations do not use the scientific method. Does that make them intellectually void of reason? I say no. One example: C.S. Lewis’ Mere Christianity

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Monk
Member (Idle past 3945 days)
Posts: 782
From: Kansas, USA
Joined: 02-25-2005


Message 20 of 47 (406134)
06-17-2007 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by bluegenes
06-17-2007 10:01 AM


Re: Re-feeling
bluegenes writes:
I've never heard any
Well now you have
..I shouldn't have to buy a book when you can enlighten me for free!
You ask for a summation of my faith and a rational argument for the existence of God yet I am limited to a brief post on a website. Exhaustive expositions are available such as the resource I quoted. That was my point to Crash.
I’m not a preacher and have no desire to convert you. If that is a journey you wish to take, then you must do so on your own.

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Monk
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Message 24 of 47 (406153)
06-17-2007 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by crashfrog
06-17-2007 10:33 AM


Re: Re-feeling
Mere Christianity is based on the fallacy of the false dichotomy (well, trichotomy, actually.) It's not a valid justification. It's probably the single worst attempt at Christian apologetics you're likely to encounter, but it's written well enough that you don't notice unless you read it with a critical eye.
You, of course, didn't, because you were already sympathetic to his clap-trap. That's how Christianity persists in otherwise intelligent minds.
You assume I haven’t read it. That’s much like 'bluegenes' assuming that people of faith do not think rationally about their faith. Both are false assumptions. I have read C.S. Lewis and find many of his arguments well reasoned. That is the point. There are rational expositions of faith available.
You may disagree with the conclusion, but that doesn’t diminish the presentation of the content.
You yourself have said that “Mere Christianity” is well written. The process of putting forward a rational argument supported by examples leading to logical conclusions is the process used by Lewis to justify his belief in the existence of God. I view his justification to be rational.
It's not the scientific method, but it is rational

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