Peanut Gallery for the Keys/RAZD Debate

But Keys is doing something else while doing that. You and I know what it is but he doesn't. I'm sure RAZD can use that later.I dolove your description of life in speed-world but I think you have the time scaling exaggerated a lot. At least based on the acceleration that Keys is trying to use so far. He'll get to that kind of speed later if he persists.I haven't seen such a good extrapolation of this before.You haven't stressed enough that this is, contrary to what Keys says, not founded on the bible.

You forget about another benefit of such discussions. Especially with someone as patient and thorough as RASD involved.While it would be nice to have a vaguely rational creationist to discuss that sort of thing we it seems that the somewhat rational know enough to stay away from discussions of that kind. They may just recognize that they don't have a leg to stand on.The is a benefit to getting the likes of keys (we've seen him before, btw, he's a liar as well as irrational) to post what he is doing is how utterly stupid it makes the whole creationist camp look.It is possible to use such threads to show those who don't know much about the arguement how utterly stupid the creationists are. It can help weaken them a bit.Of course, the majority of Christians cringe to see such nonsense posted because they can get grouped in with someone who claims to be a Christian.

Because when you add up all the things necessary to explain away what we see it tells you something about this god. It tells you something that simple won't like.

I think RASD is doing marvelously with his presentation however I think he is making a mistake; as utterly clear as RASD's writing it simple is too, well, simple to understand it.I think simple may not realize how stupid his answers are because he doesn't understand what he is being told. If RASD wants to move the debate forward (which with the 'opponent' he has is probably not possible for other reasons than the intellectual weakness of his opponent) he needs to make it yet simpler and clearer. Some baby steps and baby talk is needed. Of course, even that simple won't read but it will make it clearer to those with IQ's above 80.

Yes, but I think that others just a few IQ points smarter and less arrogant than simple could use an even more step by step approach than even RASD is taking. He can use simple's "rebuttals" as a guide to making it even clearer.Convincing simple isn't possible since he can't/won't read what is supplied.

Simple hasn't made anything clear. I think RAZD should ask simple to explain in much more detail just what his hypothesis is. RAZD has touched on that a bit but hasn't focussed on it. simple makes things up from sentence to sentence and has no coherent thoughts on just what he is proposing.I think it comes down to this: (simple's proposal)
God twists and turns everything so it looks just like the scientific explanation is correct (rings, layers, decay etc.) but none of it was actually like it looks.
In other words, as we have seen over and over, when simple is pinned down he makes his little poltergeist god into a lying slight of hand artist. To a real Christian simple is blasphemer and a deluded follower of Loki.