Peanut Gallery for the Keys/RAZD Debate

Not quite. Really slow calibers like the 45acp or some loading of the 38 Special might go as slow as 500fps, but the average rifle caliber will be considerably higher, 1200fps to over 3000fps.But that is a small issue. So far keys has simply not provided anything in support of his position except the assertion that "if there is any imaginable way around the problems, regardless of how silly the imaginary solutions are, they must be true."It is a tiny little theological position, hardly worthy of notice.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

That is fine but irrelevant.The trees RAZD has discussed were cut down while living. If there had been a flood, it killed all the trees living at that time. A tree living when cut down and documented, must be a post flood tree. Unless keys can show evidence that conditions POST flood are different than today, he has nothing.But then we all knew that anyway.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Hopefully, the true audience and success stories from the debate are those who might currently believe the YEC fantasy but who will read the data presented by RAZD and realize that the universe presented by simple simply never existed.The next step is to realize the God presented by simple also never existed.The threat, from my Christian theological perspective is that unfortunately, many folk also make the jump to the conclusion that since the God simple created did not exist, GOD does not exist.While I honestly believe in the larger scheme of things that is not a very important issue, I personally wish that there was a way to help many of those folk realize that just because simple created some picayune little god, there might still be a real GOD, one far larger, far more magnificent than they ever imagined.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

One problem that has been continuing as long as simple has been posting here is to get him to specify when the "Split" happened.A second is to get him to provide the Biblical support for any such "Split".As long as he is free to play games with the "Split" there is little point in discussions with him.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I think it might be worthwhile to the lurkers, to spend some time discussing just how tree rings are counted. It is not just the difference between lighter and darker segments, but also the relative width and the patterns that makes.Trees grow differently each season based on rainfall, temperature, the amount of sunlight and other factors. These create patterns across multiple years, a series of broad wider rings during good years followed by a series of more narrow rings during worse years.These patterns can be matched between trees so that it is possible to correlate the rings from one tree with another, almost like using bar codes.There is also another technique used to correlate the rings between trees, and that is fire scars. When a fire sweeps through an area of forest, it marks all the trees with a fire scar. These fire scars act as a separate and independent method of correlating the tree ring data.All in all, the tree ring data is devastating to the YEC position and another of the many, many, many independent methodologies that conclusively prove there was never a world-wide flood as described in the Bible and that the Earth is far older than 6-10,000 years.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion