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Author Topic:   Please - Some Impartial Advice Needed
riVeRraT
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Message 233 of 240 (406758)
06-22-2007 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by Rahvin
06-21-2007 12:47 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
It's cool rahvin, thanks for the reply.
And you've said many times that you believe homosexuality to be a sin. Sin, by definition, sends one to Hell without belief and absolution in Christ, according to Christian dogma.
I am not down with the Christian dogma, I believe we just don't know who is, and who ain't going to hell. We are all sinners, and we can never really know what is on one's heart, so it is not up to us, and we shouldn't be living life worrying about it. For many years I was agnostic, and at no point then, or now did I ever really feel like I was going to hell, why should I condemn anyone else then?
The bible is clear, we are to be Jesus like, and Jesus came to save, not to judge the world.
You can't save anyone, by condemning them.
Christians only job should be, to love.

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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 437 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 234 of 240 (406760)
06-22-2007 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by nator
06-21-2007 9:02 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
The ick factor you feel about gay males just overrides everything, it seems.
Yes, to men together, in appearance to me, is more gross than two women.
But you are blending issues once again.
How I feel about the appearance of either, has nothing to do with homosexual marriage in the state.
As in, you have such an irrational overreaction to gay male sexuality that you hate gay males, and you think everybody else feels like that about the group they don't want to have sex with, too.
I don't hate anyone, as I have stated several times, I will never understand the attraction between two members of the same sex, male or female.
Show me where or retract.
Really really, I am tired of responding to you on this subject. I do have a life, and it does not include taking an hour or so to go back over this entire thread. It's all there in black and white, so if you need proof, just read the thread.
It all goes back to this comment:
quote:
You said, "I also don't agree with it, based on that it is not the same thing. Man and woman becomes one, seems to be more difficult than man, and man."
First off, did you mean to say that "man and man" is more difficult, or that "man and woman" is more difficult, because currently your sentence says the latter.
Even though it was there is black and white, you still were more interested in trying to find out what I meant, instead of what I actually said.
Then you proceeded to say the same thing, but it was ok for you to say it, as you did not "mean" anything else by it, only I did. There's your contradiction, and double standard.
If we are going to debate any further in the future, you are going to have to take my words at face value, and stop this BS of trying to find out what was meant. women seem to do that a bit too much.
You know the difference between men and women?
When you ask a man what he is thinking, and he says, "nothing" He means it.
Everybody else sees this, though.
You need to mind your own business, and speak for yourself. There are several people here, and in the world who agree with what I am saying.
Doesn't make it right or wrong, who thinks what, what matters is the truth, and only what you think.
If you are going to start speaking for everyone else, and how they feel about me, then there is a whole bunch of other stuff that goes along with it, and unless you really want to be representing these people, on everything they say, then you need to can that statement, once and for all.

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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 437 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 236 of 240 (406763)
06-22-2007 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by AdminNem
06-21-2007 11:56 AM


Re: Warning
I apologize to you, and to rahvin.
I've had a ruff week, many people I know sick, and dying, and it is getting to me. Bad timing, I should know better than to come here when I am upset. I am usually not the kind of person to take out my feelings on others.

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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 437 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 239 of 240 (406985)
06-23-2007 8:36 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by nator
06-22-2007 8:51 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
Right, and that should maybe help you realize that your reaction is irrational and partly culturally (which includes religion) based.
It's not because the sexual act appeals to me, its because I am attracted to women, not men.
Once again you are blending issues to try and figure out "what I really mean".
Maybe you should have been a tarot card reader or something.
Really, I'm not, becasue we have most recently been talking about you telling your kids that homosexuality is wrong and sinful.
I haven't told them it is wrong or right. I am waiting to see if one of them is homosexual or not, then I will deal with it.
I have told them that I consider it a sin for myself, and that the bible considers it a sin.
I am more liberal about raising my kids. They will have the opportunity to be who ever they want to be.
I don't hate anyone, as I have stated several times, I will never understand the attraction between two members of different races.
That is a totally different subject, why bring it up, and misrepresent?
I nearly always take your words at face falue. Then, when I respond to what you say and only what you say, you complain that I don't "get it" and that what you "really" meant to say was something else.
Sometimes that happens, but most of the time It is others who are including their own prejudices about Christians, or there own misconceptions about things, and blending it with what I say.
Or in your case, what you think I really meant.
My last post to you, clearly indicates that you take what I say, turn it around, and then start debating me on it.
Not only that, in other words, you actually agreed with me.
But when you said it, it was what you meant, when I said it, I really meant something else.
So you set a double standard.
Remember Rhavin telling you that what you very much appeared to be saying was one thing,
rhavin has no excuse to accuse me of what he accused me of. He even corrected himself, and could not go back in the thread and find where I even indicated that I think homosexuality is a sin, and all sinners are going to hell. As a matter of fact, I have never said or indicated that in my entire 4500+ posts here.
Maybe rhavin went back and read, and found out that he was wrong. In doing that, I find rhavin to be a logical, and rational person.
1) You are not communicating your ideas well at all, which is not our fault, and it is up to you to be clearer.
2) You are, in fact, communicating very clearly, but when your argument is shredded or criticised or reflects poorly on you, you try to spin it or amend it after the fact instead of defending it. That is disingenuous.
In your case, it appears to be a combination of each.
You've left out some combinations, have not addressed the issue (AGAIN!) and just showed us poor logic.
I would like you to stop and think before you reply to this, but nator, it is very clear to me, that you have me in a category, and I find many of your responses prejudice/bias based. You seem to knee jerk react too much, and always, always drag a topic off from it's original theme, just to try and make a person look bad. I guess you figure, if you talk enough, and make someone look bad, then no one will see what that person is saying, is actually true.
You have extended that, to include everyone, and try to pit everyone against me. Let me just say, that when I had my email visible here, I used to get emails from anonymous people, thanking me for my faith. It has even been said to me, here in the forums. So it is plainly obvious to me, that not everyone is against me, you can drop that prejudice thought now.

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